Does Anyone feel like Bailing

Originally Posted by lookout123

True. Sort of like your lot with good ol' W's tax cuts "for the rich".

Oh, I was fully aware of the 01 and 03 tax cuts for the top 1%, at a cost of over $1 trillion, and sunsetted in 2010 in the law by Bush and the Republican Congress.

But perhaps you can explain how they provided any economic stimulus?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

John Stossel......one of those "objective, independent" sources?

Not the guy who basically defined consumer watchdog groups, no not him...

How convenient for him to start with a "broken promise" on middle class tax cuts yet ignore the $288 billion in tax cuts in the stimulus bill (about 1/3 of the entire bill) that will benefit, to some extent, most American taxpayers

Which of the lies by Obama, whom was quoted by his own video appearences did you disagree with?

Caution: Fox fair and balanced at play!

Obviously you didnt watch it to the end where they hammered the Republickins...

What makes this so funny is the fact that most of the tea baggers and other extremists probably dont even know that many of them got or are getting these tax cuts

What makes it so ironic is that the Demoncrats don't know how much trouble they are going to be in come Nov and how the electorate is on to their spend, spend, spend, and eventually tax the shit out of the those with jobs to cover their whorish spending. See you in Nov!

[Shawnee123]

*snort out loud*

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

*snort out loud*

Snorting is allowed....but no feeding the wingnuts in this zoo!

[Shawnee123]

Hell no, but if they get wet will they melt or something, or are they like gremlins? Let me know, I can get buckets of water.

Classic:

Are these economic research firms independent enough:

Just look at the outside evaluations of the stimulus. Perhaps the best-known economic research firms are IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers and Moody’s Economy.com. They all estimate that the bill has added 1.6 million to 1.8 million jobs so far and that its ultimate impact will be roughly 2.5 million jobs. The Congressional Budget Office, an independent agency, considers these estimates to be conservative.

Yet I’m guessing you don’t think of the stimulus bill as a big success. You’ve read columns (by me, for example) complaining that it should have spent money more quickly. Or you’ve heard about the phantom ZIP code scandal: the fact that a government Web site mistakenly reported money being spent in nonexistent ZIP codes.

And many of the criticisms are valid. The program has had its flaws. But the attention they have received is wildly disproportionate to their importance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/bu...fLqV0XZM6WOE0A

I agree the program has its flaws (less than perfect) and one can quibble with the exact numbers, but to continue to deny that it created or saved hundreds of thousands of jobs or more to-date is simply ideological ignorance.

This is important to note as well:

But the billions of dollars in tax cuts, food stamps and jobless benefits in the stimulus have still made a difference. Since February, aggregate wages and salaries have fallen, while consumer spending has risen. The difference between the two — some $100 billion — has essentially come from stimulus checks.

Hey, Merc ....Dont you think someone should tell Stossel....tax cuts (and other benefits) going back into the economy!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

I agree the program has its flaws (less than perfect) and one can quibble with the exact numbers...

Well at least you can agree that your people lied to the electorate and tried to bull shit us with their number... and they still are.

Your people are fucked come Nov.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

[IMG]Hey, Merc ....Dont you think someone should tell Stossel....tax cuts (and other benefits) going back into the economy!

Prove it. It is all smoke and mirrors by the Demoncrats and they re-fuck the people in 2010.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Not the guy who basically defined consumer watchdog groups, no not him...

nice dodged....all of the above!

Honest journalism? No mention of $288 billion in tax cuts and yet claiming a broken promise on middle class tax relief.

Now how about those independent, objective economic research firms?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

nice dodged....all of the above!

Honest journalism? No mention of $288 billion in tax cuts and yet claiming a broken promise on middle class tax relief.

Now how about those independent, objective economic research firms?

You can't claim $288 billion in tax cuts while you screw us with fees, cuts to tax relief programs, and tell us you are doing us a favor. Deficit spending abounds.

Pelosi and Obama promised us "Millions of Shovel ready jobs", they lied to get their pork barrel spending voted for. Obama promised us "Transparency", he lied as all of the healthcare bills and the Pelosi Pork Package was developed behind closed doors. Obama promised us "Every bill that comes across my desk with have 5 days where the American Public can read it before I sign it." Another lie.... you boat is sinking and even your party hopefuls are jumping ship...

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Pelosi and Obama promised us "Millions of Shovel ready jobs", they lied to get their pork barrel spending voted for.

Considering the near complete meltdown of the American economy, we are now doing quite well. It should have been much worse. And, as Obama warned us when he took office, it will take about ten years to fix this mess.

Hank Paulson told Congressmen of a economic malaise so serious that (according to reporters outside) Congressmen left the room “white faced”. Paulson, et al told eight major bank presidents earlier (on Friday) that they had eight hours to save the American economy. He was not kidding. Eight years of a political agenda was that destructive.

Then we got a new president with economic programs to bluntly avert that meltdown. As a major paper from the American Economists Association noted last year (using studies of some 114 previous recessions in the OECD), this type of recession created by financial and fiscal mismanagement takes about 12 quarters to recover. Compared to two to four quarters for a traditional recession. The created damage by economic mismanagement is traditionally that severe. Economic history says the damage is so severe as to take that long to recover.

But those are numbers. Extremists do not listen to numbers. Profanity justified by a political agenda is what Limbaugh encourages. The fact that eight years of financial fraud was made legal somehow gets forgotten in their rhetoric.

Based upon how serious the recession should have been. Based upon how close we came to a complete economic meltdown - due to eight years of neocon economics including tax cuts for the rich - due to zero growth for 2000 through 2009 . We are damn lucky to still have a working economy. We came that close to a complete 1929 meltdown. Because extremists who ignore facts and who are told to take cheap shots will not admit what their 'welfare to the rich' economics has done to America.

This is the first decade in 70 years that America has seen no growth. The average American income fell 2% in that period. While the richest incomes rose massively. Numbers so large that nobody is quite sure how large. That has only happened once in American history. Just before the 1929 stock market crash. But George Jr neocons are smarter? No wonder profanity and cheap shots are posted. Then others will not notice extremist politics nearly destroyed the entire American economy.

How strange that extremists will ignore this reality that starts:
U.S. economy took a dive in the 2000s, a lost decade for workers
The actual article describing zero American growth during George Jr's tenure is from the Washington Post on 1 Jan 2010:
For most of the past 70 years, the U.S. economy has grown at a steady clip, generating perpetually higher incomes and wealth for American households. But since 2000, the story is starkly different.
The past decade was the worst for the U.S. economy in modern times, a sharp reversal from a long period of prosperity that is leading economists and policymakers to fundamentally rethink the underpinnings of the nation's growth.

Somehow we should believe extremists because this mess was created by their political agenda AND because their spokemen include Sarah Palin?

Thank god we all still have jobs because informed thinkers finally took hold the reins. And did the massive spending necessary to minimize the damage. It should have been as bad as "Mission Accomplished" - another disaster created by the same political agenda.

So what do extremists do? Do they apologize for the neocon economics that nearly destroyed the American economy? First time since WWII that America has seen virtually no growth. So extremist post cheap shots even at Obama.

“Cheap shots in the name of liberty is no vice”. Even Goldwater would not say what extremists believe.

Sitting back and watching you rant and rage all over the board and make an ass of yourself!

Now you just need your lapdog to join you.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Sitting back and watching you rant and rage all over the board and make an ass of yourself!

Now you just need your lapdog to join you.

See you in November (See Mass election results).

How's that Hopey Changey thing working out for you?

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

See you in November (See Mass election results).

How's that Hopey Changey thing working out for you?

We'll see what happens in November..... I predicted a loss of 20-30 seats in the House and 6-7 in the Senate. It may well be more, but highly unlikely to overturn either majority....particularly if the Republicans run extremist tea baggers or wingnuts.

But that doesnt change the hilarity of you denying the facts ($288 billion enacted in tax cuts) and independent objective reports on job creation from the stimulus....or your even more hilarious attempts at rationalizing your outrage at those facts and reports.

Now take a deep breath and relax for a second before you continue your rant and make yourself look even more foolish and wing-nutty!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

We'll see what happens in November..... I predicted a loss of 20-30 seats in the House and 6-7 in the Senate.

But that doesnt change the hilarity of you denying the facts ($288 billion enacted in tax cuts) and independent objective reports on job creation from the stimulus....or your even hilarious attempts at rationalizing your outrage at those facts and reports.

Now take a deep breath and relax for a second before you continue your rant and make yourself look even more foolish and wing-nutty!

Now take a deep breath and relax for a second before you continue your rant and make yourself look even more foolish and wing-nutty! You can't butt fuck the electorate on the one hand with deficit spending to levels and repealing tax breaks like never seen in history with no plan to repay it and try to tell everyone you are doing them a favor and not to worry about how you are going repay it.

Come Nov, your party is screwed.