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02-04-2006, 12:46 PM

Lucky you, Fargon! That must have been quite the shock! "Honey, we're Mormon!" Yeah, that's why Mormons are so into genealogy. They wanna baptize their dead ancestors and save them. Always sounded kind of selfish to me. If that's what they really believe, why not hold a single huge baptismal ceremoney for all who have gone before us? They could have a big whoop te do over it in the Tabernacle at Salt Lake!

Tonchi, my argument is more along the lines of devout Mormons, BAC's, and fundamentalist Muslims, among many others, sharing the same closed mind set. I'm talking about a sort of xenophobic "us vs. the rest of the world" mentality that leads to closed mindedness and religous intolerance. Certainly, they all have different theologies, but those theologies all lead to the same outlook.

fargon · 02-04-2006, 02:46 PM

While I want the entire world to embrace Jesus as Lord and Savior, I know that will not happen. I just don't like the way some people try to ram their belifes and religious practises down your throat, Then get mad when you decline the offer. All I can do is show the information and let you decide what you want to do.

Aliantha · 02-04-2006, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fargon

While I want the entire world to embrace Jesus as Lord and Savior, I know that will not happen. I just don't like the way some people try to ram their belifes and religious practises down your throat, Then get mad when you decline the offer. All I can do is show the information and let you decide what you want to do.

When someone truly believes that their way to salvation is the only true way, it becomes somewhat of a burden to those people because if they meet someone who doesn't share this belief, then they truly believe this person is going to suffer eternal damnation (fire and brimstone stuff - lucky I like the heat) unless they...blah blah blah.

If you saw someone was about to get run over by a truck, surely your conscience would compell you to warn them not to go there. Evangelicals generally, from my observations, feel the same way about going to hell. If they see someone headed in that direction, their consience will not allow them to sit idly by and allow it to happen.

fargon · 02-05-2006, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

When someone truly believes that their way to salvation is the only true way, it becomes somewhat of a burden to those people because if they meet someone who doesn't share this belief, then they truly believe this person is going to suffer eternal damnation (fire and brimstone stuff - lucky I like the heat) unless they...blah blah blah.

If you saw someone was about to get run over by a truck, surely your conscience would compell you to warn them not to go there. Evangelicals generally, from my observations, feel the same way about going to hell. If they see someone headed in that direction, their consience will not allow them to sit idly by and allow it to happen.

I lost a very good friend many years ago because I did not know when to quit and let the Lord take over. While I don't want any body to go to hell, all I can do is present the information and pray for them in private. It is up to them to accept salvation. I just wish more BACs would take the time to read and understand the bible. Forcing people to believe does not work!

I can not let someone get run over by the proverbeable truck, but if they choose to be run over I can't do any thing but cry.

Tonchi · 02-04-2006, 05:51 PM

When my uncle finally got sucked under after more than 50 years of fighting off his wife's Mormon relatives, he started collecting all the names and dates so he could take them to the temple and get his brownie points. He's now baptised my dead grandfather as Mormon but rather balked at accepting my grandmother who was the second wife and thus not really related to him. I suspect my cousins already grabbed Granddad long ago anyway, but my uncle has to follow orders so he does. There will be no further inroads into this generation, however, because I told the momster to pass on the word to him that if they try to do that to me after I can't fight back I will leave a letter to the temple with my lawyer that states I spit on their cult and all its phoney rituals. My sister feels the same way.

Mari, ALL these devout/orthodox/fanatical/inspired-directly-by-God religions form themselves into a closed society. (Nice article about the Lubavitch Jewish sect in the latest National Geographic, BTW) They weave this exclusivity into all kinds of declarations about the coming Apocalyse, which no doubt will come SOME day, but not because they had any inside information or can execute a magic formula that will bring it on. The Jehovah's Witnesses already had a major meltdown when their end-of-the-world declarations did not come to pass and the LDS had to do a reversal back in 1898 when Joseph Smith and Jesus decided to skip their Second Coming. Almost every Christian group in existance now or in the past has been left with egg on their faces when they ventured into doomsday predictions. It might be the one good thing you can say about Islam is that they don't go there

Aliantha · 02-05-2006, 07:31 PM

I agree...although if you believe in hell, I'd say that's where I'm going. Someone save my soul!!!

mrnoodle · 02-06-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dov

I just had a conversation with someone close to me.

I took the side there are several intelligent bacs, (born agains.)

She held that an intelligent bac is an oxymoron.

Yes or No?

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02-04-2006, 02:46 PM	#2
fargon Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: La Crosse, WI Posts: 8,924	While I want the entire world to embrace Jesus as Lord and Savior, I know that will not happen. I just don't like the way some people try to ram their belifes and religious practises down your throat, Then get mad when you decline the offer. All I can do is show the information and let you decide what you want to do. __________________ Annoy the ones that ignore you!!! I live a blessed life I Love my Country, I Fear the Government!!! Heavily medicated for the good of mankind.

02-04-2006, 05:51 PM	#5
Tonchi Victim of gravity Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hiding in plain sight Posts: 1,412	When my uncle finally got sucked under after more than 50 years of fighting off his wife's Mormon relatives, he started collecting all the names and dates so he could take them to the temple and get his brownie points. He's now baptised my dead grandfather as Mormon but rather balked at accepting my grandmother who was the second wife and thus not really related to him. I suspect my cousins already grabbed Granddad long ago anyway, but my uncle has to follow orders so he does. There will be no further inroads into this generation, however, because I told the momster to pass on the word to him that if they try to do that to me after I can't fight back I will leave a letter to the temple with my lawyer that states I spit on their cult and all its phoney rituals. My sister feels the same way. Mari, ALL these devout/orthodox/fanatical/inspired-directly-by-God religions form themselves into a closed society. (Nice article about the Lubavitch Jewish sect in the latest National Geographic, BTW) They weave this exclusivity into all kinds of declarations about the coming Apocalyse, which no doubt will come SOME day, but not because they had any inside information or can execute a magic formula that will bring it on. The Jehovah's Witnesses already had a major meltdown when their end-of-the-world declarations did not come to pass and the LDS had to do a reversal back in 1898 when Joseph Smith and Jesus decided to skip their Second Coming. Almost every Christian group in existance now or in the past has been left with egg on their faces when they ventured into doomsday predictions. It might be the one good thing you can say about Islam is that they don't go there __________________ Everything you've ever heard about Fresno is true.

02-05-2006, 07:31 PM	#6
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I agree...although if you believe in hell, I'd say that's where I'm going. Someone save my soul!!! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

02-04-2006, 12:46 PM	#1
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	Lucky you, Fargon! That must have been quite the shock! "Honey, we're Mormon!" Yeah, that's why Mormons are so into genealogy. They wanna baptize their dead ancestors and save them. Always sounded kind of selfish to me. If that's what they really believe, why not hold a single huge baptismal ceremoney for all who have gone before us? They could have a big whoop te do over it in the Tabernacle at Salt Lake! Tonchi, my argument is more along the lines of devout Mormons, BAC's, and fundamentalist Muslims, among many others, sharing the same closed mind set. I'm talking about a sort of xenophobic "us vs. the rest of the world" mentality that leads to closed mindedness and religous intolerance. Certainly, they all have different theologies, but those theologies all lead to the same outlook.

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