Mueller - Page 7

henry quirk · 08-09-2019, 09:55 AM

okay

xoxoxoBruce · 08-09-2019, 03:37 PM

Take it up with Adams? No, you brought it here you own it.

It falls apart because there are more than two movies, trying to divide the country into two camps is "fer us or agin us" bullshit.
Telling people they are not allowed to agree with some Liberal ideas and some conservatives ideas, is the most un-American thing possible.

henry quirk · 08-09-2019, 05:21 PM

Gonna be interesting to see how you're gonna make that stick.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-10-2019, 12:19 AM

Easy, if you can't or don't wish to elaborate on it, then it's just meaningless static, no help to your cause.

Undertoad · 08-09-2019, 04:01 PM

Adams is torturing his own, original "two movies" metaphor. In the original metaphor, a single event would be interpreted in two very different ways by two different tribes. That is an interesting way to describe our reactions to events. You often see this happening.

But he has apparently now expanded it to include not just one event, but the entire, bigger picture. It's not just an interpretation, but the entire narrative. IOW it's now about the movie that people play in their heads, not the movie they just watched.

I don't like how he broke his own metaphor. It's not a clear line of thinking from point A to point B.

sexobon · 08-11-2019, 08:06 AM

We can just change the channel. Got a remote, don't even have to get up.

henry quirk · 08-11-2019, 08:52 AM

or: turn the set off

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-14-2019, 05:34 PM

The Democratic Party is dead to me. A nest of socialist adders, with a policy of "divide and rule" in what has too-milquetoastily been called "patchwork pandering."

What is identity politics *but* divide and rule? What's the ultimate end, the purest form, of identity politics? Prison race gangs.

Somebody who calls Trump a "communist" or somehow thinks he's a "communist disciple," whatever that is, is somebody who not only does not connect with reality but is actively engaged in kicking reality out the back door because reality doesn't conform to his ideas -- the mark, if memory serves, of a wacko extremist and a radical. TW, you're really really really bad at doing human. And you must do human to grasp politics sensibly at all.

tw · 08-14-2019, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Somebody who calls Trump a "communist" or somehow thinks he's a "communist disciple," whatever that is, is somebody who not only does not connect with reality ...

Strange that Trump praises Putin, Xi, Kim, and so many other dictators. Why disparaging leaders of virtually every closest American ally. He praises communists. And so you love him.

You demonstrate why America has become so divisive - lies. Rather than discuss facts, you praise Trump who then praises communists. Then ignore obvious contradictions in your own reasoning.

Which American ally did he disparage last? Germany's? Italy's? S Korea's. Who can keep up?

In his first 500 days, he posted 5,500 or 6,500 lies. Depending on which of so many (a majority of) international news services did the counting. Only an extremist would deny that Trump routinely lies.

He even denied that he ordered Comey to be loyal. No problem. Lies are acceptable and approved of by extremists - who may even lie about their love of communists.

Communism - enrich the Central Committee of the Communist Party. Curious. Trump has been doing that his entire adult life. He never ran a single successful company. So where did he get his money? Will you also lie about that? An extremist would.

It is about time for him to trade in his wife for a new one. It explains his recent hatred of immigrants. If he deports her, then alimony need not be paid.

Makes me wonder who really is a greater communist sympathizer. You or Trump. Since communist sympathizers routinely insult and lie. Routinely post disparaging comments rather than address facts.

Griff · 08-15-2019, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

What is identity politics *but* divide and rule? What's the ultimate end, the purest form, of identity politics? Prison race gangs.

The part you may miss here is that the identity politics on the left birthed Trump who is also an identity politician.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-14-2019, 10:48 PM

Tw, tw... conspiracy theorizing is the last refuge of the incompetent... and the romantic manqué. Being at least not the latter, I am not impressed with your intellectual significance. Nor your emotional maturity, come to that. You do not have a history of being an anticommunist -- your pro-communist leanings in re Vietnam were the first thing I ever chewed your ass and kicked your bubblegum about on this forum.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-15-2019, 12:02 AM

Trump is no communist, neither are Putin, xi or Fatty III. Dictators all.

tw · 08-15-2019, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Trump is no communist, neither are Putin, xi or Fatty III. Dictators all.

What is a communist? Dictatorship. Xi and Fatty III are both openly titled as heads of their communist party. Putin is communist in all but name. Trump loves those communists. He constantly praises them. He clearly demonstrates appreciation for dictators. And the tools that so easily bring communist dictators to power (ie hate groups KKK, anti-Semites, White Supremacists, Misogynists, Nazi, Islamophobist, etc).

You can argue semantics all day. But Trump has greater appreciation for communism - also called a dictatorship.

Given the opportunity, he would "Make America Great Again" by making it into a communist dictatorship. Then he need not worry about trivial problems such as grand juries, prosecution for lying, impeachment, and obstruction of justice indictments.

henry quirk · 08-15-2019, 01:27 PM

"Given the opportunity, he would "Make America Great Again" by making it into a communist dictatorship."

Your evidence? Can you point to any piece of Trump-sponsored or Trump-considered legislation that has moved, or will move, America in the direction of state socialism or state communism?

Just one.

I can. Red flag laws. but I think he's just messin' with the dems on that one.

Your turn...

henry quirk · 08-15-2019, 01:30 PM

Absolutely.

The manure of the left (and a good chunk of the right) was countered with Trump's hiring. That he bangs the opposing drum as loudly as the left (and some of the right) is part of the deal.

What, you thought he was gonna go 'open borders' once he took the Big Chair?

08-09-2019, 09:55 AM	#1
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	take it up with adams okay __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

08-09-2019, 03:37 PM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Take it up with Adams? No, you brought it here you own it. It falls apart because there are more than two movies, trying to divide the country into two camps is "fer us or agin us" bullshit. Telling people they are not allowed to agree with some Liberal ideas and some conservatives ideas, is the most un-American thing possible. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-09-2019, 05:21 PM	#3
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"No, you brought it here you own it." Gonna be interesting to see how you're gonna make that stick. __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...' Last edited by henry quirk; 08-09-2019 at 06:20 PM.

08-10-2019, 12:19 AM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Easy, if you can't or don't wish to elaborate on it, then it's just meaningless static, no help to your cause. Attached Images __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-11-2019, 08:52 AM	#7
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"We can just change the channel." or: turn the set off __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

08-09-2019, 04:01 PM	#5
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Adams is torturing his own, original "two movies" metaphor. In the original metaphor, a single event would be interpreted in two very different ways by two different tribes. That is an interesting way to describe our reactions to events. You often see this happening. But he has apparently now expanded it to include not just one event, but the entire, bigger picture. It's not just an interpretation, but the entire narrative. IOW it's now about the movie that people play in their heads, not the movie they just watched. I don't like how he broke his own metaphor. It's not a clear line of thinking from point A to point B.

08-11-2019, 08:06 AM	#6
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	We can just change the channel. Got a remote, don't even have to get up.

08-14-2019, 05:34 PM	#8
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	The Democratic Party is dead to me. A nest of socialist adders, with a policy of "divide and rule" in what has too-milquetoastily been called "patchwork pandering." What is identity politics but divide and rule? What's the ultimate end, the purest form, of identity politics? Prison race gangs. Somebody who calls Trump a "communist" or somehow thinks he's a "communist disciple," whatever that is, is somebody who not only does not connect with reality but is actively engaged in kicking reality out the back door because reality doesn't conform to his ideas -- the mark, if memory serves, of a wacko extremist and a radical. TW, you're really really really bad at doing human. And you must do human to grasp politics sensibly at all. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

08-14-2019, 10:48 PM	#11
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Tw, tw... conspiracy theorizing is the last refuge of the incompetent... and the romantic manqué. Being at least not the latter, I am not impressed with your intellectual significance. Nor your emotional maturity, come to that. You do not have a history of being an anticommunist -- your pro-communist leanings in re Vietnam were the first thing I ever chewed your ass and kicked your bubblegum about on this forum. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

08-15-2019, 12:02 AM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Trump is no communist, neither are Putin, xi or Fatty III. Dictators all. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-15-2019, 01:27 PM	#14
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"Given the opportunity, he would "Make America Great Again" by making it into a communist dictatorship." Your evidence? Can you point to any piece of Trump-sponsored or Trump-considered legislation that has moved, or will move, America in the direction of state socialism or state communism? Just one. I can. Red flag laws. but I think he's just messin' with the dems on that one. Your turn... __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

08-15-2019, 01:30 PM	#15
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"the identity politics on the left birthed Trump who is also an identity politician" Absolutely. The manure of the left (and a good chunk of the right) was countered with Trump's hiring. That he bangs the opposing drum as loudly as the left (and some of the right) is part of the deal. What, you thought he was gonna go 'open borders' once he took the Big Chair? __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

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