Ann Romney/Hilary Rosen

[TheMercenary]

Good Job! Demonize Stay at Home Moms! Winning points there!

[TheMercenary]

Ok, let's now categorize men.

Do men who have been out of work for:

1- one month. (this one just graduated from college and thinks the government should pay off his student loans)
2- two months. (this one is about to lose it all, 2 kids, wife, bills stacked up.)
3- four months. (this one is a new college grad and has no anxiety about work because he is still on his moms insurance and is living at home)
4- eight months. (this one was laid off and can't find work in his field)
5- sixteen months. (this one was laid off and thinks it would be great to take time off to stay home with his kids while his wife made the money)
6- thirty-two months. (this one wants to work terribly and wants to kill himself because his wife can't find a job either and they are about to lose their house)
7- or Stay at home Dads who have been only in that capacity for X months ( you fill in your magical mythical number between 1 and 100 months while mom worked because she made a shit load more than dad could make).

Ok, so geniuses, please explain to me who has more worth, who has a valid understanding of the working world, and who is more qualified than some other non-working Dad to make those judgements? Be sure to ID each category that is worthy of the ability to understand what it is like to work and which one is not and why one has greater worth than the other.... thanks.

Now replace all of the terms "men" with "Women".

Now tell me about the worth of a woman who does not have to worry about that and where she it says she should be penalized, persecuted, and pilloried in the press because she was fortunate?

[classicman]

Uh - ya lost me.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Uh - ya lost me.

Its quite obvious.

[TheMercenary]

Dude. If it was a man who stayed at home everyone would have treated the issue differently. But some dumb assed political Demoncratic Hack thought she would make political Hay out of the issue because Romney's wife was a stay at home mom. I know plenty of stay at home dads in the military. And if you told them they didn't know jack about the working world they would kick your ass. The dumb bitch that made that statement is a fool. Don't ever tell a stay at home mom she has no idea what she understands about the working world. Many work harder than some fool who goes off and tries to sell cars or advertising space everyday.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Dude. If it was a man who stayed at home everyone would have treated the issue differently. But some dumb assed political Demoncratic Hack thought she would make political Hay out of the issue because Romney's wife was a stay at home mom. I know plenty of stay at home dads in the military. And if you told them they didn't know jack about the working world they would kick your ass. The dumb bitch that made that statement is a fool. Don't ever tell a stay at home mom she has no idea what she understands about the working world. Many work harder than some fool who goes off and tries to sell cars or advertising space everyday.

You know what, merc, I agree. Staying home to raise children is not the lazy, easy option. It's hard work, valuable work.

Which is why I feel so angry when politicians and rightwing correspondents focus their ire on single welfare moms. They're not 'sponging' they are staying home to raise their children.

Personally, I am in favour of paying a stayhome parenting benefit, equivalent to unemployment benefit, and lasting until the youngest child reaches ten years old.

[Sheldonrs]

Originally Posted by DanaC

You know what, merc, I agree. Staying home to raise children is not the lazy, easy option. It's hard work, valuable work.

Which is why I feel so angry when politicians and rightwing correspondents focus their ire on single welfare moms. They're not 'sponging' they are staying home to raise their children.

Personally, I am in favour of paying a stayhome parenting benefit, equivalent to unemployment benefit, and lasting until the youngest child reaches ten years old.

That gets my vote!

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Personally, I am in favour of paying a stayhome parenting benefit, equivalent to unemployment benefit, and lasting until the youngest child reaches ten years old.

It's kind of a bad idea to pay people to have babies they would not otherwise want. Stupid women already deliberately have extra babies because they can get a new set of child support payments from BabyDaddy #4. Meanwhile, the reason there are so many shitty and abusive foster parents in the system is because there is the lure of taking a kid on for the money.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Stupid women already deliberately have extra babies because they can get a new set of child support payments from BabyDaddy #4.

That is a popular urban believe. Where are facts that support that claim with numbers?

[Sundae]

In my whole life I have met two women who deliberately had children to avoid going back to work. One told me candidly that she loved being a mother, had no work experience and qualifications and was therefore a better Mum than she was a worker. I disagreed, but kept my mouth shut. She was a drinker and a brawler. Hence my opinion and my reason for not expressing it. She had three children, so not excessive.

The other was my boyfriend's ex, who chose to stop birth control once her first son (not his) went to pre-school. He swore she trapped him this way, but admitted he knew she'd come off the pill and carried on having sex anyway. He was too stupid to keep in the long run - she moved on as did I, I can't be doing with men who abandon their children.

If you have personal experience of women who squeeze out babies for benefits Clod, then I'd be interested to hear it. As I say, of all the hundreds of pregnant women I've known, only two have been thus afflicted. I don't count the ones I read about in the Hate Mail.

[Sundae]

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[DanaC]

yeah...I hear that a lot myself. But have found very little evidence of it in the world around me.

They used to say it when I was a kid too. Because back then there really was a council house or flat ready for you if you had a baby. I knew a few girls who had babies when we were teens. One of them, a lass called Donna, was 15 when she realised she was pregnant. She was thrilled. And yes, being able to get a flat was part of why she was thrilled. It would, in her words, get her away from her mum and dad's house, where she was woefully unhappy. But it wasnt why she had the baby. And it wasnt the only reason she was thrilled.

The particular demographic who might rely on such housing if they have a baby are also statistically likely to have had family breakdowns and a chaotic homelife. For a young lass in that situiation a baby can mean a lot of things, including something that is truly 'their own'.


very few of us do anything major in our lives because of a single solitary motivation. Even those for whom extra beneifts or a social house are part of their rationale, will have other reasons all mixed up in there. Including, potentially, the notion that this is what you do as a grownup. This is how you mark yourself an adult: you have a baby and you get your house and you're all set in the grownup world.

[DanaC]

Just as an aside, I also think that, given the paltry amount of help these girls actually receive from the State (bad in the uk, but at least they get actual currency not just food stamps), anybody who actually chooses that as a better option in life deserves our pity and sympathy.

[TheMercenary]

The Government is not the answer. AND tax payer dollars should not support those who choose to stay home. This is not a country the size of Rhode Island.... It is not feasible. The bottom line is stop demonizing those who have the choice.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The bottom line is stop demonizing those who have the choice.

That means religious extremists and the Tea Party disagree with you. They are anti-choice. They will even say that god tells us all what to do. Choice is advocated by evil liberals - according to them. When did you and they have a falling out?