TSA authorities can fine you $10,000 for leaving the airport - Page 7

Cloud · 11-25-2010, 01:39 PM

demanding? I think I'm more resigned. flying is not a "right" either.

Bullitt · 11-25-2010, 01:50 PM

Free travel is, and so is business i.e. the free exchange of goods, services, and money between myself and the airline company. Injecting these measures between those is a violation of those rights.

Undertoad · 11-25-2010, 01:52 PM

You cannot "ask" with the force of government; you can only require. At this time when you enter a security line and are selected, you are required to either be seen naked, be groped, or pay $11,000.

Flying is not a right (travel is), but the net of rights that surround it are up for grabs at this time. The TSA has stated that you voluntarily give up certain rights when entering the airport. Which ones? Let's have them clearly enumerated.

Because as long as an airport is in America, you cannot voluntarily give up your Constitutional rights there. That's the definition of America.

Cloud · 11-25-2010, 01:54 PM

I can only plead for people not to be assholes about the current situation, which I think the original guy who made a stink was being.

Undertoad · 11-25-2010, 02:04 PM

Notice given, when they demand I give up my rights, I will be a relentless total fucking asshole about it.

Cloud · 11-25-2010, 02:23 PM

thanks. remind me not to fly that day.

I understand there are larger issues here. My point is that I belong to a subset of people who will FOR SURE be subject to extra scrutiny, and as such I intend to plan for the extra hassle--that's all.

Undertoad · 11-25-2010, 02:42 PM

A new mother tries to explain to agents that her breast milk is considered a medical fluid by TSA regulations, and so according to their rules, it doesn't have to go through the xray machine and can be handled with alternate screening.

A TSA agent explains that they were waiting for her, that they remembered her from the previous week, saw her coming, and were going to have her arrested unless she played along.

They put her in a private screening area for an hour, treat her like shit, demand that she sit on the floor and pour her breast milk into eight separate 1.5 oz containers, ignore her sheet of printed TSA regulations, and force her to miss her flight. After repeated requests for the tape of the event, they sent her the tape... minus 30 incriminating minutes of it.

But look Cloud, they don't inconvenience the other passengers a bit. They screen everybody else while leaving her "in the box". You don't have to worry, you can fly without delay. I'm sure it's only the assholes and terrorists, like new concerned moms with breast milk, who get singled out.

You don't have to watch all 12 minutes. I have done it for you. You're welcome.

TheMercenary · 11-25-2010, 02:45 PM

And then there is this:

Makers of airport body scanners spent millions lobbying government: report

http://www.dotmed.com/news/story/14867/

Cloud · 11-25-2010, 03:06 PM

well, but -- I already know that the whole thing is a majorly humiliating PITA and the TSA people are assholes. I'm just not planning to be one about it myself. Yes, I understand my posts reflect a personal perspective rather than the larger picture.

Undertoad · 11-25-2010, 04:38 PM

I do not mean to make it about you C.

Undertoad · 11-25-2010, 04:41 PM

via BoingBoing, a woman went through the grope because her panty liner obscured the TSA scanner's view of her vulva.

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This email isn't going to be as polished as I would normally send, but I'm upset and I don't want what happened to me to happen to anyone else (if I can stop it). I recently traveled via air, and was subjected to that new scanning device. "No problem," I thought. I was wearing jeans and a linen tanktop, bra, panties, and one camoflauge pantyliner. I'm a rule follower, so I never have any problems at the airport. Not this time. I was stopped, and then held for 15 mintues while they tried to find a female supervisor. I couldn't get to my bag, my shawl or my shoes; just standing there while the TSA agents kept me in one place. Now, I don't want this to be about bad TSA agents; they were doing their job, they were as delicate as they could be, etc., etc. But what ultimately happened is that I was subjected to search so invasive that I was left crying and dealing with memories that I thought had been dealt with years ago of prior sexual assualts. Why? Because of my flannel panty-liner. These new scans are so horrible that if you are wearing something unusual (like a piece of cloth on your panties) then you will be subjected to a search where a woman repeatedly has to check your "groin" while another woman watches on (two in my case - they were training in a new girl - awesome). So please, please, tell the ladies not to wear their liners at the airport (I didn't even have an insert in). I'm a strong, confident woman; I'm an Army vet (which is why those camo liners crack me up), I work full-time and go to graduate school full-time, I have a wonderful husband, and I don't take any nonsense from anyone. I don't dramatize, and I don't exaggerate. I'm trying to give you a sense of who I am so you won't think that this is a plea for attention, or a jumping on the bandwagon about the recent TSA proposed boycott. I just don't want another woman to have to go through the "patting down" because she didn't know that her glad-rag would be a matter of national security.

footfootfoot · 11-25-2010, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

I do not mean to make it about you C.

You don't need to UT, she makes it about herself just fine. Go back and re-read her posts. Every time you mention the rights of OTHERS, she counters with how it doesn't bother HER.

TheMercenary · 11-25-2010, 06:08 PM

Another relevant article:

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbyi...ed-on-k-street

Cloud · 11-25-2010, 08:22 PM

yep, because I obviously have no compassion for my fellow citizens. and I'm a DES daughter, too.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-25-2010, 08:25 PM

C'mon, you can't blame all that clinking and jingling on DES.

11-25-2010, 01:39 PM	#91
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	demanding? I think I'm more resigned. flying is not a "right" either. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

11-25-2010, 01:50 PM	#92
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	Free travel is, and so is business i.e. the free exchange of goods, services, and money between myself and the airline company. Injecting these measures between those is a violation of those rights. __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass.

11-25-2010, 01:54 PM	#94
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	I can only plead for people not to be assholes about the current situation, which I think the original guy who made a stink was being. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

11-25-2010, 02:23 PM	#96
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	thanks. remind me not to fly that day. I understand there are larger issues here. My point is that I belong to a subset of people who will FOR SURE be subject to extra scrutiny, and as such I intend to plan for the extra hassle--that's all. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!" Last edited by Cloud; 11-25-2010 at 02:29 PM.

11-25-2010, 02:45 PM	#98
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	And then there is this: Makers of airport body scanners spent millions lobbying government: report http://www.dotmed.com/news/story/14867/ __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

11-25-2010, 01:52 PM	#93
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	You cannot "ask" with the force of government; you can only require. At this time when you enter a security line and are selected, you are required to either be seen naked, be groped, or pay $11,000. Flying is not a right (travel is), but the net of rights that surround it are up for grabs at this time. The TSA has stated that you voluntarily give up certain rights when entering the airport. Which ones? Let's have them clearly enumerated. Because as long as an airport is in America, you cannot voluntarily give up your Constitutional rights there. That's the definition of America.

11-25-2010, 02:04 PM	#95
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Notice given, when they demand I give up my rights, I will be a relentless total fucking asshole about it.

11-25-2010, 02:42 PM	#97
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	A new mother tries to explain to agents that her breast milk is considered a medical fluid by TSA regulations, and so according to their rules, it doesn't have to go through the xray machine and can be handled with alternate screening. A TSA agent explains that they were waiting for her, that they remembered her from the previous week, saw her coming, and were going to have her arrested unless she played along. They put her in a private screening area for an hour, treat her like shit, demand that she sit on the floor and pour her breast milk into eight separate 1.5 oz containers, ignore her sheet of printed TSA regulations, and force her to miss her flight. After repeated requests for the tape of the event, they sent her the tape... minus 30 incriminating minutes of it. But look Cloud, they don't inconvenience the other passengers a bit. They screen everybody else while leaving her "in the box". You don't have to worry, you can fly without delay. I'm sure it's only the assholes and terrorists, like new concerned moms with breast milk, who get singled out. You don't have to watch all 12 minutes. I have done it for you. You're welcome.

11-25-2010, 03:06 PM	#99
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	well, but -- I already know that the whole thing is a majorly humiliating PITA and the TSA people are assholes. I'm just not planning to be one about it myself. Yes, I understand my posts reflect a personal perspective rather than the larger picture. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

11-25-2010, 04:38 PM	#100
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I do not mean to make it about you C.

11-25-2010, 06:08 PM	#103
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Another relevant article: http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbyi...ed-on-k-street __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

11-25-2010, 08:22 PM	#104
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	yep, because I obviously have no compassion for my fellow citizens. and I'm a DES daughter, too. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

11-25-2010, 08:25 PM	#105
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	C'mon, you can't blame all that clinking and jingling on DES. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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