Time to slam the trolls!

[Hubris Boy]

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Troll?

Did somebody use the t-word?

Now, don' be hatin'... there's nothing wrong with a good troll every now and then. A well-written troll can be a thing of great beauty and delicacy.

Don't hate the troll; hate the troller who doesn't know how to use it properly. A troll is just a tool - like a chainsaw or a flamethrower. It all depends on the operator.

[Grendel T. Troll]

Originally Posted by Hubris Boy

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Troll?

Did somebody use the t-word?

Now, don' be hatin'... there's nothing wrong with a good troll every now and then. A well-written troll can be a thing of great beauty and delicacy.

Don't hate the troll; hate the troller who doesn't know how to use it properly. A troll is just a tool - like a chainsaw or a flamethrower. It all depends on the operator.

Well said! Someone here with sense!!

[DanaC]

while there are some people motivated to work just for the hell of it, i would think greater efficiency and new innovation are found on the path to greater profits.

And that's where we disagree I think. The path to greater profit leads, in my experience, to rationalisation of the workforce, cutting corners and buried safety reports, less service for greater cost and inequity of access. If you're talking about selling televisions or a financial package then yes, the path to greater profit can drive a better service (although the subprime fiasco suggests even thenn it can lead to a great deal of inappropriate sales). If you're talking about medical care I believe the drive to greater profit reduces the level of service available to the whole whilst increasing the level of service available to the few. If you are attempting to change a universal healthcare system, paid for by general taxation and national insurance, attempts to crowbar in elements of a profit based system just leads to diverting those taxes away from the primary care givers/receivers and into the pockets of business and shareholders. Instead of, as has always been the case in the NHS, the money that is invested going straight into service provision, it is syphoned off to feed a third tier of the system.

Teachers generally work for a wage, they don't work to drive up profits. Nurses generally work for a wage, they don't work to drive up profits. Teachers and nurses work hard for a fixed wage, why would doctors be any different? Why are nurses, who deliver care, motivated by the needs of their job and a wage to cover their living costs and yet we only expect Doctors, as caregivers, to be motivated by the ability to increase their earnings through the business model?

[lookout123]

Teachers generally work for a wage, they don't work to drive up profits.

true, and that is one reason public schools have become such a joke in some areas. teachers with tenure just waiting for their pension while not giving a damn about the education they are being paid to provide. No Child Left Behind is layer upon layer of misguided BS, surrounding a kernel of a good idea - make educators accountable for the progress of their students. good idea + government = poor execution, but the idea has merit. but that is a different thread...

nurses work hard for a fixed wage

nurses frequently move from organization to organization for better pay, better working conditions, greater room for advancement. hardly a "fixed wage" situation.

why would doctors be any different?

while some doctors have altruistic motivations, i would expect that they subjected themselves to the difficult schooling and cutthroat residencies while racking up massive debt for the purpose of making $$$. they specialize to make more $$$. they own their own practices so they can keep more of the $$$. while there are many exceptions, the most skilled and brightest among us are typically motivated by A) money, B) Power, C) recognition. whether those are worthy goals or not, is another discussion, but you can't deny that it is so.

If you are attempting to change a universal healthcare system, paid for by general taxation and national insurance

but see - i'm not. i think universal healthcare paid for by taxes is a bunch of crap. competition creates innovation, innovation leads to progress. do some get left by the wayside? yep. that sucks but it is life. i don't agree with lowering the upside of anything just so that the people at the top and the bottom can be closer to each other. lumping everyone into any single system limits any motivation for improving things. if that system is part of a government run organization makes it damn near impossible to ever actually achieve the goal you set out with - providing top notch healthcare for everyone.

[robsterman1]

Seems Mr Troll's just trollin' for sympathy here, haha.

A troll by any other name is still a troll

[robsterman1]

A good time to dust off this fine troll-slamming thread to be a reminder to all you trolls out there to WATCH THE F#CK OUT!!!

[LJ]

dude. duuuuuuude. d'ud. doo. d. dude

[Razzmatazz13]

Wait, what?

[classicman]

huh?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

When the cat's away, the mice... get no pussy? That how it goes?

[robsterman1]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

When the cat's away, the mice... get no pussy? That how it goes?

LOL, but you ain't got any

[classicman]

I'm just here trollin - whats up?

[robsterman1]

Originally Posted by classicman

I'm just here trollin - whats up?

What you looking at, ya little troll?

Seems you stepped in it this time!

[classicman]

Originally Posted by robsterman1

What you looking at, ya little troll?

Seems you stepped in it this time!

:shakininmyboots:

[Shawnee123]

Time To Slam the Bootshakers. :