Men Abortion and Choice

[Flint]

Homophobia? Huh?

Funny, I see my opinion as equality and your's as matriarchal.

to have an abortion with a baby that you helped create, don't impregnate her.

Don't wanna' have a baby, don't get pregnant.

[lumberjim]

or abort it as soon as you know about it.



dont want to get pregnant? dont have sex?


dont want to get pregnant, dont have a uterus?

dont want to be subservient, dont be a woman?

dont want people to call you names, dont be an asshole.

You must love for people to call you names. Fetish of yours?

[lumberjim]

i just wanted to turn this ridiculous thread about assholery into what it should be. assholery.

now go piss up a rope with your silly positions and posturing about equality. it really is a waste of logic to argue this with you any further. you'll get nothing more from me than insults and ridicule.

you .......big....... bald .......sperm donor.

LOL!!!

[DanaC]

or abort it as soon as you know about it.



dont want to get pregnant? dont have sex?


dont want to get pregnant, dont have a uterus?

dont want to be subservient, dont be a woman?

dont want people to call you names, dont be an asshole.

*Applauds* outstanding.

[DanaC]

Good thing no one is talking about outlawing abortion

Nope, the law would make the man stop an abortion if he wished to take full responsibility for his child.

rk, honey, I lova ya, but that's fucked up. You would seriously want a law that gives a man the right to dictate to a woman whether or not she was able to have an abortion?


From the original article on the proposed law change :

As written, the bill would ban women from seeking an abortion without written consent from the father of the fetus. In cases where the identity of the father is unknown, women would be required to submit a list of possible fathers. The physician would be forced to conduct a paternity test from the provided list and then seek paternal permission to abort.

Well, fuck me sideways if I didn't tripover and land in the Handmaid's Tale. Rk, next time you call European laws on racism fascistic in nature I'm just going to laugh in your face, because this beats any Holocaust Denial laws into the ground, for me. How can you so vehemently defend the rights of people to spout racist filth and yet not seek to defend a woman's right to have the final say over her own body? And if you want to point at Fascist German and say, well hey they limited freedom of speech, I can point you to the German Maids whose job was to bear blond haired, blue eyed, master-race babies. And I can point you to the pregnant women whom the nazis experimented on.

Originally Posted by DanaC

rk, honey, I lova ya, but that's fucked up. You would seriously want a law that gives a man the right to dictate to a woman whether or not she was able to have an abortion?


From the original article on the proposed law change :

Well, fuck me sideways if I didn't tripover and land in the Handmaid's Tale. Rk, next time you call European laws on racism fascistic in nature I'm just going to laugh in your face, because this beats any Holocaust Denial laws into the ground, for me. How can you so vehemently defend the rights of people to spout racist filth and yet not seek to defend a woman's right to have the final say over her own body? And if you want to point at Fascist German and say, well hey they limited freedom of speech, I can point you to the German Maids whose job was to bear blond haired, blue eyed, master-race babies. And I can point you to the pregnant women whom the nazis experimented on.

First of all, I did not say I agree with the bill as proposed... I stated that a man who wishes to stop a abortion should be able to.
Fresh, back down when you are wrong... I do it all the time.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

That is the whole point of this entire thread. The law would force the woman to get permission from the man.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Nope, the law would make the man stop an abortion if he wished to take full responsibility for his child.

Here, you say that the law doesn't force the woman to get permission. When you are reminded that it, in fact, does, you say:

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

First of all, I did not say I agree with the bill as proposed... I stated that a man who wishes to stop a abortion should be able to.
Fresh, back down when you are wrong... I do it all the time.

Now might be a good time for you to do so.

But let's take your proposed alternate law into consideration:

I stated that a man who wishes to stop a abortion should be able to.

If you don't agree with the "woman needs permission" part of the law, how do you propose that this should work? How would he know? If the woman tells him that she is pregnant, she risks losing her ability to make the choice herself. It would be much safer for her to make the decision without his input, which I think most would agree would be a bad outcome.

And if the man decides that she can't have an abortion, how would the doctor know?

[freshnesschronic]

Chris rock joke everybody!

"so....whachu gonna do?"

Rk I don't agree with you, but I have even more respect for you for not backing down. You took all those rocks thrown at you. Teach me.

[bluecuracao]

Uh uh. If rk were to concede gracefully, that would be worthy of respect.

[DanaC]

You took all those rocks thrown at you. Teach me.

If you mean he was stoned, you may be right :P

[Aliantha]

I'd like to know what woman would have an abortion if she was in a happy relationship with a man she wants to be with (unless there are extremely extenuating circumstances and I still think she has the final say anyway).

Also, if they make this legislation what makes anyone think men wont abuse it simply to get back at a woman who wont fuck him anymore?

The problem is, the problem works both ways but ultimately, it's not the man who has to bear the brunt, and if he changes his mind half way through the pregnancy (as they all too often do) then the woman is left with a child that she never intended to have but has no choice but to follow though - and in most cases will love that child endlessly, but her life is changed forever thanks to a fuckhead who wasn't smart enough to keep what's his to himself (if you want to apportion blame). We all know that even now that women are equals (har har) men are still the ones who do most of the persuing.

[DanaC]

Since time immemorial, there have been laws governing and securing men's rights over their children. Assumptions of female custody are an extremely modern development. For most of the world, across most of recorded history, where laws have existed, they have protected men's rights to the furtherance of their genes. These have in many cases stretched as far as the right to kill off any babies that weren't his (rights to 'expose' a baby), thereby showing that what is important, deep down is the 'replicate me' programme we're all born with. Males, as the physically dominant sex have always sought to control that programme. As civilization became more advanced, this morphed into control of land and property and maintenance of the family name and estate...but at its core it is what it always was. It is the reason society shames the promiscuous woman.

This is no different. This is no different to any of the myriad other ways men have used patriarchal societal systems to exert their control over the 'replicate me' programme and the women who incubate their genetic future.