Affirmative Action Unnecessary? - Page 7

TheMercenary · 03-26-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Does the black person with a high school diploma have the same chance as the white person with a college degree to get into college in the first place? This is the real problem in my opinion and AA is only a cover to hide this.

Is this my problem? Should my non-minority child lose a chance at advancement for feel good solutions to promote people who are not fully qualified? Should I not get a job because an individual minority in a position of power wants to promote someone of like color?

Spexxvet · 03-26-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

You can't. Advancement and employment by merit. Nothing else. Why do you think I should hire someone who has a highschool diploma over a person who has a college degree beacause the person with the diploma is black? That is the problem we have now under AA. Unqualified minorities in jobs as tokens so an organization can stand up and say look I hired a minority. How do you prevent that? People who are fully and more importantly more qualified for jobs and schools are pushed aside in the name of political correctness. I ain't buying it and I do not support it.

Can you show ANY evidence that less qualified minorities being hired or promoted is prevalent? I'm sure it happens, (we read about it in the conservative biased media) but is it really a significant issue? How often does it really happen?

More often, a white person with a highschool diploma is hired over a minority with a college degree.

You can't make a playing field level just by saying that's the way it should be. Racists and predjudiced "hirers" and "promoters" will merely continue what they've been doing - discriminating against minorities.

TheMercenary · 03-26-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

You can't make a playing field level just by saying that's the way it should be. Racists and predjudiced "hirers" and "promoters" will merely continue what they've been doing - discriminating against minorities.

Ok, tell me how you are going to ensure that people are not hiring minorities just to hire them? Because that is the situation we have created. So how do we fix it? How do you stop reverse discrimination from occuring? I have seen it first hand in the military. The people who complained are ignored. The minority boards believe that there is no such a thing as reverse discrimination. Ask any of the black scholars and they will tell you that it cannot even exist. How do you fix this. PUSH and Jessie Jacksons outfit have perfected the minority arm twisting and extortion to ensure that minorities get contracts, even when they may not have been the best choice. There are numerous examples in the press. Kids being denied admission to State owned universities. Firemen being promoted ahead of peers because they are a minority. Where does the PC crap end and merit begin. IMHO the glass ceiling is getting thicker with every PC action like this.

Ibby · 03-26-2007, 12:53 PM

My girlfriend is half mexican. On her tests and college apps and everything else, she gets to mark 'hispanic' and probably gets an advantage over me for it (not that she needs it, shes perfect enough already). Why? Because she's an "underprivelledged minority".

Except shes not. Her family has at least as much money as mine does, her dad works at the same place my dad did (and probably at higher pay), her mother doesnt even need to work, they actually own their house... etc.

Affirmative Action should be based on socioeconomic class, not race. Help the poor people, all of them, not just the ones who arent white, and not the relatively well-off people who also arent white, just on that basis.

wolf · 03-26-2007, 01:14 PM

Rich people can be very good at hiding money ... as many college financial aid officers can tell you.

piercehawkeye45 · 03-26-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Is this my problem? Should my non-minority child lose a chance at advancement for feel good solutions to promote people who are not fully qualified? Should I not get a job because an individual minority in a position of power wants to promote someone of like color?

Your child should not be held back and rarely will your child ever be. It is just that minority children are at a disadvantage but I personally don't think AA will solve that problem and will only make it worse because it favors racism.

TheMercenary · 03-27-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Your child should not be held back and rarely will your child ever be. It is just that minority children are at a disadvantage but I personally don't think AA will solve that problem and will only make it worse because it favors racism.

Yes, but how do we deal with this new type of reverse discrimination that has developed. Ignore it? Accept it? I think not.

piercehawkeye45 · 03-27-2007, 04:57 PM

The reason we have this reverse racism is to cover up a much larger problem. If we focus on that problem, we can eliminate discrimination for both sides.

All AA is doing is getting people pissed off and making it seem like white America "cares" about minorities.

03-27-2007, 05:07 PM

You should have been in the room when I explained to my mother that someone who did not meet their criteria was getting my spot instead because I was white... took a while.
Should have sued now that I know what happened in Texas.
It would have helped others.
It is not "reverse" anything, it is racism against whites and nothing more.
Racism is racism.
We just replaced one with another.

Trilby · 03-27-2007, 05:14 PM

Who here is a minority or has a minority member in their household?

Raise hands.

03-27-2007, 05:17 PM

I'm and atheist and disabled. Hand is up.

Trilby · 03-27-2007, 05:19 PM

PS--

I qualify my own familia with: five Hispanics, three Pakistanis and (god help us) various French-speaking peoples. But, not the French-French--the spat-upon Creole, the Creole, the mothers were hampster's and the father's...well, let's just let bygones be bygones....

Racism my ASS.

Trilby · 03-27-2007, 05:21 PM

rkz--

I see your disability and raise you an atheist.

03-27-2007, 05:25 PM

Some say my 1/4 Native American is enough... I wonder.

I'll see your atheist and see you an atheist Deep Southerner, nuh!

Edit: that was an actor and eats sushi! *hell gets cold*

Aliantha · 03-27-2007, 07:32 PM

*raises hands* (one for each child)

03-26-2007, 12:53 PM	#94
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	My girlfriend is half mexican. On her tests and college apps and everything else, she gets to mark 'hispanic' and probably gets an advantage over me for it (not that she needs it, shes perfect enough already). Why? Because she's an "underprivelledged minority". Except shes not. Her family has at least as much money as mine does, her dad works at the same place my dad did (and probably at higher pay), her mother doesnt even need to work, they actually own their house... etc. Affirmative Action should be based on socioeconomic class, not race. Help the poor people, all of them, not just the ones who arent white, and not the relatively well-off people who also arent white, just on that basis. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

03-26-2007, 01:14 PM	#95
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Rich people can be very good at hiding money ... as many college financial aid officers can tell you. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-27-2007, 05:14 PM	#100
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Who here is a minority or has a minority member in their household? Raise hands. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-27-2007, 05:19 PM	#102
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	PS-- I qualify my own familia with: five Hispanics, three Pakistanis and (god help us) various French-speaking peoples. But, not the French-French--the spat-upon Creole, the Creole, the mothers were hampster's and the father's...well, let's just let bygones be bygones.... Racism my ASS. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-27-2007, 05:21 PM	#103
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	rkz-- I see your disability and raise you an atheist. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-27-2007, 04:57 PM	#98
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	The reason we have this reverse racism is to cover up a much larger problem. If we focus on that problem, we can eliminate discrimination for both sides. All AA is doing is getting people pissed off and making it seem like white America "cares" about minorities.

03-27-2007, 05:07 PM	#99
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	You should have been in the room when I explained to my mother that someone who did not meet their criteria was getting my spot instead because I was white... took a while. Should have sued now that I know what happened in Texas. It would have helped others. It is not "reverse" anything, it is racism against whites and nothing more. Racism is racism. We just replaced one with another.

03-27-2007, 05:17 PM	#101
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I'm and atheist and disabled. Hand is up.

03-27-2007, 05:25 PM	#104
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Some say my 1/4 Native American is enough... I wonder. I'll see your atheist and see you an atheist Deep Southerner, nuh! Edit: that was an actor and eats sushi! hell gets cold

03-27-2007, 07:32 PM	#105
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	raises hands (one for each child) __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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