"Why does the world hate the Jews?" Article

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"If you have, actually, read the Bible, they did not follow it then, not even Jesus or the hard line Jews. It was hygiene law for those in the desert."

You can't be serious. I'm Jewish, and I've read the bible, and it's a rule for all Jews to not eat any shellfish, not have sex with your wife during her period (or a week after it's over), not to wear clothes with mixed threads, and everything else it says there. The shellfish thing as part of Kashruth, or Kosher. Shellfish isn't kosher. Religious Jews don't eat it. Mixed threads are called Shatnes, and religious Jews don't wear it; there are even experts trained to study fabric under a microscope to check for these things. It had nothing to do with hygiene in the desert, as that, is, utter, nonsense. Not that Jews are what we're arguing about; I just thought I'd point out that you don't know what you're talking about.

Furthermore: http://www.religionfacts.com/homosex...ristianity.htm
"The Bible is the Christian sacred text, regarded as the ultimate authority by all denominations. It consists of the Old Testament (roughly equivalent to the Jewish Tanakh) and the New Testament. While the New Testament is the specifically Christian part of the Bible, both parts are regarded as equally authoritative."

That was just after a short google search, first result I got. I could cite more if you like.

So, reformed Jews are not "religious"?
Jews who play football (touching the skin of a pig) are sinning?

Again, Abomination is not sin. It is very simple.

You go ahead and think what you would like... have fun.
Did you come in here just to troll in this thread? Because we have had this conversation before.

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Show me something that says we're not allowed to touch the skin of a pig (we are), and show me something that says footballs are made of pig skin (they're not).

So something punishable by death is not a sin? Ok... I suppose that could be one possible interpretation...

Be well.

Originally Posted by equazcion

Show me something that says we're not allowed to touch the skin of a pig (we are), and show me something that says footballs are made of pig skin (they're not).

So something punishable by death is not a sin? Ok... I suppose that could be one possible interpretation...

Be well.

Lev 11:6-8

Why is a football called a pigskin? --Ben Schwalb, Laurel, Maryland

Dear Ben:

Because calling it a pig's bladder, which is what it actually is (or was), is a bit too real even for football players. In the days before vulcanized rubber, animal bladders were easily obtained, more or less round, readily sealed and inflated, and reasonably durable--just the thing if you wanted to play the medieval equivalent of soccer. In later years the bladder might be covered with leather (not necessarily pigskin) for added protection.

The main drawback of a pig's bladder was that inflating it by way of the obvious nozzle was too grotty for words. Still, it was an improvement over what the English traditionally regard as the original football, namely the noggin of an unsuccessful Danish invader. If you were offended by the aesthetics of this you could always stuff a leather casing with hay or cork shavings or the like, but such balls lacked zip.

Happily for the sensibilities of modern youth, pig's bladders faded from the scene not long after intercollegiate football began in 1869. One account indicates rubber bladders were being used in 1871 and they were probably around long before that, Charles Goodyear having patented vulcanization in 1844. Couldn't have been too soon for me.

The real question here, if you don't mind my saying so, is how footballs got to be prolate spheroids ("round but pointy," for you rustics) rather than perfectly spherical. As usual with these pivotal episodes in history, it was an accident. Henry Duffield, who witnessed the second Princeton-Rutgers game in 1869, tells why:

"The ball was not an oval but was supposed to be completely round. It never was, though--it was too hard to blow up right. The game was stopped several times that day while the teams called for a little key from the sidelines. They used it to unlock the small nozzle which was tucked into the ball, and then took turns blowing it up. The last man generally got tired and they put it back in play somewhat lopsided."

The odd shape of the ball, eventually enshrined in the rules, was turned to advantage with the introduction of the forward pass in 1906, which was made possible by the fact that you could grip the ball (barely) around the narrow part. Passing got a lot easier in the 1930s when the rules committee ordered the watermelon of previous decades slimmed down by an inch and a half, opening the door for the modern aerial game. How fortunate for the future shape of the game that the Ivy Leaguers of yesteryear didn't have any more lung power than today's.

--CECIL ADAMS

[equazcion]

Aww, don't be a poor sport... you know, admitting you were wrong about things can garner more respect than anything.

Originally Posted by equazcion

Aww, don't be a poor sport... you know, admitting you were wrong about things can garner more respect than anything.

How was the above wrong?

[equazcion]

Right, they used to be made out of a pig's bladder, and now they're not. Furthermore, players only actually touched the bladder for a short time before it was encased in leather, which wasn't necessarily pig skin, which now isn't even leather at all, it's rubber or vinyl.

[equazcion]

I myself would still like to know about priestly doctrine, if anyone out there cares to be constructive regarding the real point here...

What's wrong... didn't like my answers?

[equazcion]

Footballs aren't made of pig skin. It said so in your article. But I was actually referring to... well, almost everything else you've claimed. That desert hygiene thing really took the cake. Homosexuality isn't a sin, only an abomination, when the bible says it's punishable by death? What IS a sin then? The Torah being only Jewish and not Christian, that was classic... there's more, I'd have to go back and look, but you get the idea.

And it was really easy to get you to stop saying "believe whatever you want" and "chill" and pull you right back into the argument. Not so easy to be the bigger person, is it...

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Hey not that I'm trying to argue more, by the way, only pointing it out. I'm done with you if that's what you want. I still want to know what priests are taught regarding other religions and such, but from someone who actually knows, not more non-answers.

Peace brother.

I was in seminary prep for several years... I have told you. Have fun fishing for something to fit your pre-conceived notion though.

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All you told me is that you didn't want to speak for everyone else. That's why they were non-answers.

I'd really like to hear from a priest, although a good reference would do.