Dutch Ban Burkas - Page 7

wolf · 11-20-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddug

Dana C , I have not even bothered to read the above . You pose as

Wow. Ban must have taken effect in mid-post. Cool.

(apparently not. Buddug must have had to take a hit of oxygen, like Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet. Or was that Nitrous. Whatever.)

wolf · 11-20-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

So people taken as slaves out of Africa by British ships were never Muslim?

Kunta Kinte was. I remember that from the book.

wolf · 11-20-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddug

Islam cannot be disolved into the idea of nationhood . Islam scorns Christianity as being an incomplete form of religious identity . Islam sees the non-Muslim as impure . Islam does not accept any other way . There is no concept of there being several paths to climb the same mountain . A Muslim who decides to seek other paths of thought is an apostate , who theoretically deserves to be culled as an animal .
Islam asks for everything , and there does not seem to be any form of reasonable Islam on the way . Like , I'm really grateful not to be stoned .

They are frightened lunatics , and if they want to stop being seen as such , they should say so . I am sick to the back teeth of talking about tolerance and individuals to the sound of Muslim silence .

Oh crap. I agree with this.

fargon · 11-20-2006, 03:50 PM

I think we should let the Dutch run their country, their own way. The muslim countries do what they want. Why are we concerned about the civil rights of people who would not grant us our civil rights in their country.

Aliantha · 11-20-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jebediah

Not great when the goal of immigration is to integrate a person in society.

I think this is the key. I strongly disagree with this point. The value of immigration is clear in most western cultures which have been enriched by the absorption of new cultures.

I can't imagine how boring life would be if we all just had one generic culture.

Just think for a minute about how many different cultures have influnced your life because you have access to them in your every day life.

I'm sure you're probably thinking about different foods, styles of dress, music and a vast number of other cultural markers which define other ways of life.

Now consider the idea that if you accept the things you like about new/different cultures, then try and entertain the idea of accepting those things you don't understand.

Life is not without risk, but just because something is a risk, doesn't mean the worst is likely to happen, then again, maybe it might.

Griff · 11-20-2006, 05:53 PM

Dutch Ban Burkas - nice band name btw

Trilby · 11-20-2006, 06:00 PM

I embrace all cultures with open arms...especially those with good food.

However, I would prefer not to be killed for wearing shorts.

Aliantha · 11-20-2006, 06:12 PM

I'd be dead now if that were the case. Plus, I don't think my choice in shirts would be viewed very favourably either.

I'm glad I live in Australia!

Clodfobble · 11-20-2006, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

I'm sure you're probably thinking about different foods, styles of dress, music and a vast number of other cultural markers which define other ways of life.

Food and music I'll give you. I can't think of an example of my wearing another culture's clothing. Which is interesting, given that the ban is on a certain type of clothing...

Aliantha · 11-20-2006, 06:30 PM

So you've never worn a sarong?

Aliantha · 11-20-2006, 06:31 PM

What about adopting phrases in another language?

Trilby · 11-20-2006, 06:56 PM

Have I never worn a sarong?

I have actually worn the entire regalia of the Bay City Rollers; Bob Segar (mustache was difficult) ZZTOPP (see aforementioned mustache difficulty plus beard) Stevie Nicks with the Mac (loads of chiffon), (including top hat and cocaine fetish; and, believe it or not, MORE chiffon) Captain and Tennille and...HR PuffenStuff--costume was hellish.

I was lucky to get out of there with my life.

Aliantha · 11-20-2006, 07:05 PM

It would seem so. lol

WabUfvot5 · 11-20-2006, 07:26 PM

I think we have different takes on the word integrating. I don't mean that they should give up who they are or what they believe. Rather they shouldn't close off from others. Integration in my view is not the melting pot. Integration is being able to able to interract with your fellow citizens. I fully believe burkas are a hindrance to this.

Aliantha · 11-20-2006, 07:29 PM

Because you're projecting your understanding of culture onto someone else's.

11-20-2006, 03:50 PM	#94
fargon Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: La Crosse, WI Posts: 8,924	I think we should let the Dutch run their country, their own way. The muslim countries do what they want. Why are we concerned about the civil rights of people who would not grant us our civil rights in their country. __________________ Annoy the ones that ignore you!!! I live a blessed life I Love my Country, I Fear the Government!!! Heavily medicated for the good of mankind.

11-20-2006, 05:53 PM	#96
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Dutch Ban Burkas - nice band name btw __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

11-20-2006, 06:00 PM	#97
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	I embrace all cultures with open arms...especially those with good food. However, I would prefer not to be killed for wearing shorts. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

11-20-2006, 06:12 PM	#98
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I'd be dead now if that were the case. Plus, I don't think my choice in shirts would be viewed very favourably either. I'm glad I live in Australia! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-20-2006, 06:30 PM	#100
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	So you've never worn a sarong? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-20-2006, 06:31 PM	#101
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	What about adopting phrases in another language? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-20-2006, 06:56 PM	#102
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Have I never worn a sarong? I have actually worn the entire regalia of the Bay City Rollers; Bob Segar (mustache was difficult) ZZTOPP (see aforementioned mustache difficulty plus beard) Stevie Nicks with the Mac (loads of chiffon), (including top hat and cocaine fetish; and, believe it or not, MORE chiffon) Captain and Tennille and...HR PuffenStuff--costume was hellish. I was lucky to get out of there with my life. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

11-20-2006, 07:05 PM	#103
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	It would seem so. lol __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-20-2006, 07:26 PM	#104
WabUfvot5 Operations Operative Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 634	I think we have different takes on the word integrating. I don't mean that they should give up who they are or what they believe. Rather they shouldn't close off from others. Integration in my view is not the melting pot. Integration is being able to able to interract with your fellow citizens. I fully believe burkas are a hindrance to this.

11-20-2006, 07:29 PM	#105
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Because you're projecting your understanding of culture onto someone else's. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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