Saddam to Swing - Page 7

xoxoxoBruce · 12-02-2006, 06:38 AM

OK, you can pay my share of keeping him in that cage for the next 50 or 60 years.

12-02-2006, 12:24 PM

It is more expensive to murder an inmate than to keep them for life. FAR more expensive.
If you would take the cost of the murder over the housing... deal!

Shawnee123 · 12-02-2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

It is more expensive to murder an inmate than to keep them for life. FAR more expensive.
If you would take the cost of the murder over the housing... deal!

Absolutely. This is the easiest "pro-death penalty" issue there is to argue. Death row inmates are separated from the rest of the jail community. They do not participate in any work that inmates do that help defray the costs of the prison running. Not to mention the really expensive appeals and such that go on for YEARS.

Plus, it's not a deterrent, never has been, never will be.

12-02-2006, 12:36 PM

Aside from that whole "ethics thing".

Ibby · 12-02-2006, 01:20 PM

Plus, even if it were true, arguing that its okay to execute them because its cheaper is simply putting a price on life, and is morally reprehensible and wrong, because nobody's life or death should be determined by how financially beneficial it is to you.

Aliantha · 12-02-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I've explained before just what it does defend, and I think clearly enough a planarian could get it. Pay attention, Ali -- this is worth paying attention to. That there is something here you patently don't want to know doesn't mean I can't know it -- and esteem it as better than your anti-defense viewpoint.

UG...you're the one with a reading deficiency. I asked what it would do to the person that has to kill other people for a living??? If you can't address that issue without being obnoxious and answering only the part of the issue you like addressing, then don't answer.

9th Engineer · 12-02-2006, 07:41 PM

I think capital punishment is the ultimate in punishment style law. What's the worst punishment you can inflict on someone, death right? It's not about saying "we have to minimize the damage you cause to society", it's about saying that we must punish criminals for their crime. I do agree with that sentiment to a degree, punishment is the natural reciprocal of wrongdoing. It's just a matter of who we trust with that power.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-02-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Absolutely. This is the easiest "pro-death penalty" issue there is to argue. Death row inmates are separated from the rest of the jail community. They do not participate in any work that inmates do that help defray the costs of the prison running. Not to mention the really expensive appeals and such that go on for YEARS.

Plus, it's not a deterrent, never has been, never will be.

It worked when the gallows was next to the court house. It's the anti-death penalty people that make it so damn expensive. :p

12-04-2006, 12:03 AM

We also miss out on the benefits of study. Henry Lee Lucas did not begin to cooperate with his captors, the FBI and his therapists for twelve years. Some serials have waited as long as seventeen.
How many lives have been saved due to what we have learned from these minds... how many have been lost due to the murders of so many others solely for vengeances sake?
One was too many, it has been many hundred that, I am sure.

yesman065 · 12-04-2006, 07:38 AM

Just a question here NOT an opinion. Would the death penalty actually function as a deterrent if it was carried out MUCH faster? I agree with you to a point rz, but if the death penalty actually worked at preventing someone from committing a crime (which I don't think it does now) how many lives would be saved. Furthermore, the cost on society and the ability to shift the funds spent keeping these criminals alive were shifted to rehab programs or any of many other viable options would that save even more lives?? I don't know and I don't think our society would ever do it, but it does merit some thought at least - no?

Shawnee123 · 12-04-2006, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

I think capital punishment is the ultimate in punishment style law. What's the worst punishment you can inflict on someone, death right? It's not about saying "we have to minimize the damage you cause to society", it's about saying that we must punish criminals for their crime. I do agree with that sentiment to a degree, punishment is the natural reciprocal of wrongdoing. It's just a matter of who we trust with that power.

I don't know. I think you're almost putting someone out of their misery by ending their life. I think it would be worse to spend the rest of your life in prison, but perhaps that isn't how criminals think. Death, of course, would be so scary...but if your life were that messed up anyway maybe it would seem like a relief.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-04-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

We also miss out on the benefits of study. Henry Lee Lucas did not begin to cooperate with his captors, the FBI and his therapists for twelve years. Some serials have waited as long as seventeen.
How many lives have been saved due to what we have learned from these minds... how many have been lost due to the murders of so many others solely for vengeances sake?
One was too many, it has been many hundred that, I am sure.

Benefits of study? What did they find out besides they were nuts? How did this studying these creeps benefit the population?

When the next wacko kills 10 people, the shrinks understanding why, doesn't help one bit...... especially to the victims.

[QUOTE-Shawnee123]I don't know. I think you're almost putting someone out of their misery by ending their life. I think it would be worse to spend the rest of your life in prison, but perhaps that isn't how criminals think.[/quote] If they were chained to a dungeon wall, perhaps. But living in relative comfort with access to reading materials and sometimes TV, don't think so.

Happy Monkey · 12-04-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

When the next wacko kills 10 people, the shrinks understanding why, doesn't help one bit...... especially to the victims.

That depends on just how much the concept of an FBI profiler is a hollywood creation.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-04-2006, 02:19 PM

True, I hadn't considered that angle.

DanaC · 12-04-2006, 04:28 PM

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If they were chained to a dungeon wall, perhaps. But living in relative comfort with access to reading materials and sometimes TV, don't think so

Oh come on. Prisons are not pleasant places to be......the average time it takes a new arrival to be raped in an American prison is fifteen minutes.

12-02-2006, 06:38 AM	#91
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	OK, you can pay my share of keeping him in that cage for the next 50 or 60 years. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Plus, even if it were true, arguing that its okay to execute them because its cheaper is simply putting a price on life, and is morally reprehensible and wrong, because nobody's life or death should be determined by how financially beneficial it is to you. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

12-02-2006, 07:41 PM	#97
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	I think capital punishment is the ultimate in punishment style law. What's the worst punishment you can inflict on someone, death right? It's not about saying "we have to minimize the damage you cause to society", it's about saying that we must punish criminals for their crime. I do agree with that sentiment to a degree, punishment is the natural reciprocal of wrongdoing. It's just a matter of who we trust with that power. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

12-04-2006, 02:19 PM	#104
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	True, I hadn't considered that angle. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-02-2006, 12:24 PM	#92
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	It is more expensive to murder an inmate than to keep them for life. FAR more expensive. If you would take the cost of the murder over the housing... deal!

12-02-2006, 12:36 PM	#94
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Aside from that whole "ethics thing".

12-04-2006, 12:03 AM	#99
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	We also miss out on the benefits of study. Henry Lee Lucas did not begin to cooperate with his captors, the FBI and his therapists for twelve years. Some serials have waited as long as seventeen. How many lives have been saved due to what we have learned from these minds... how many have been lost due to the murders of so many others solely for vengeances sake? One was too many, it has been many hundred that, I am sure.

12-04-2006, 07:38 AM	#100
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	Just a question here NOT an opinion. Would the death penalty actually function as a deterrent if it was carried out MUCH faster? I agree with you to a point rz, but if the death penalty actually worked at preventing someone from committing a crime (which I don't think it does now) how many lives would be saved. Furthermore, the cost on society and the ability to shift the funds spent keeping these criminals alive were shifted to rehab programs or any of many other viable options would that save even more lives?? I don't know and I don't think our society would ever do it, but it does merit some thought at least - no?

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