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08-12-2006, 09:01 AM
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I think this line's mostly filler.
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Be sure to keep your face out of my fisty areas...
joking, joking. I just wanted to say "fisty areas".
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08-12-2006, 01:13 PM
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08-13-2006, 02:42 AM
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08-13-2006, 05:42 AM
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The crux of the matter lies in the timely exposure of the alleged abuses. Many people will, given the knowlege and power to do so, avoid doing business with companies they find morally reprehensible. For example, I always prefer to buy from a company that operates completely within the US as opposed to ones that manufacture in Indonesia or China because its often impossible to uncover abusive labor practices in those places. You can't ignore plain middle class apathy though, I doubt that a big enough chunk of WalMart shoppers would boycott them due to unfair business. Many people just don't care anymore. Put everything together and unethical business can be easily whitewashed with a good enough PR campaign and media control.
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08-14-2006, 01:08 AM
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If someone is unethical they will practice unethical business regardless of the existence of laws regarding said business or not.
Again and forever, a bar, business or restaurant is not public property... it is privately owned property, in regards to the smoking issue. The state has no place dictating what an owner wants done on his, or her, own property. If you don't like smoke, don't shop there... go to a non-smoking business. |
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08-12-2006, 02:46 PM
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It does seem much more "factual" in all-caps.
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08-12-2006, 02:48 PM
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08-12-2006, 02:50 PM
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That should be a great comfort to the people who are harmed by unethical businesses.
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08-13-2006, 12:37 PM
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So, in your theory, it doesn't matter that people were harmed, just that it will eventually get brought to light. Of course, the harm isn't undone, so there is no real-life value for the actual human beings affected. And, of course, since you have to wait until provable harm has already been done before you can do anything about it, your system doesn't provide any protection for the common man. There will always be unethical business practices, there will always be greed, and it may not pay off in the "long term" but that doesn't mean people won't get hurt in the meantime. Allowing business to run rampant is a plan that guarantees unethical practices.
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08-13-2006, 08:31 PM
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If someone dies, you can't bring them back. When someone is harmed, you can't unharm them. You can only see to it that those who did the harm are brought to justice. The common man is protected somewhat from being harmed because those who practice business unethically (meaning they steal, trespass, commit fraud, or are directly responsible for physical harm to unconsenting people) will be publically brought to justice and this will serve to deter others who would commit these types of crimes. Actually the best way to keep business ethical is to remove 100% of all government influence on the markets. It means getting rid of any government oversite of business, getting rid of all government regulations, getting rid of unconstitutional government agencies like the FDA, FTC, and others, and having business be completely and totally unhampered by government. Government is what allows many businesses to get away with unethical behavior.
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08-13-2006, 01:34 PM
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Regarding that third point, does the business owner necessarily have an obligation to define the primary activities of his establishment? I go to an Anime store that has an arcade in the back, they sell comics, collectibles, they design custom cosplay outfits. I just go there to rent movies. There isn't really a primary purpose, it's unique to each customer.
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08-13-2006, 08:49 PM
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To shreds, you say?
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Radar,
I checked the link to your website and I like what I saw re: your thougths on various issues. I checke d the links to Libertarian party HQ and I'll research there before hassling you on this thread. Thanks for taking the time to come up with thoughtful answers to everyone's questions wihtout getting all worked up.
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08-15-2006, 05:21 AM
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08-15-2006, 05:59 PM
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To shreds, you say?
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