Illegal to Feed Homeless in Parks - Page 7

Spexxvet · 07-31-2006, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

An original term is not a relabeling. Like "liberal"...which is now "progressive".
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and "clear skies initiative" which allows increased polution in the air we breath, and "anti-abortion" which is really "anti-choice", and "right to life" which means "we conservatives will tell you when you can allow your brain dead wife to die". Yeah, spin. Go figure.

MaggieL · 07-31-2006, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

and "clear skies initiative" which allows increased polution in the air we breath, and "anti-abortion" which is really "anti-choice", and "right to life" which means "we conservatives will tell you when you can allow your brain dead wife to die". Yeah, spin. Go figure.

The position re-labelling on abortion rights happened on both sides almost immediately..."pro-choice" was invented to counter "pro-abortion" as an obvious antonym to "anti-abortion". "Pro-abortion" is a misnomer, because abortion rights advocates aren't simply in favor of abortions; they're opoosed to restrictions on them. Hence "pro-choice". "Pro-life" begs the question of whether a fetus is in fact human life.

Happens I'm pro-choice, and I also think the Chiavo case was well-decided; they were both examples of unwarrented government intrussion.

"Clear Skies Initiative" I'd not heard of but it obviously can't be a relabelling if it's a new program. Which it is...and being a program of pollution limits it seems fair to call it "Clear Skies' unless you'd prefer "Clear But-Not-As-Clear-As-The-Greens-Want Skies".

Anyway, now that the weekend's over, I have work to do...and quite enough time has been spent in this thread chasing collectivist ghosts. My position on the central proposition is that people have a right to set rules for their park...whether it's "curb your dog" or "no food kitchens--no matter how informally organized".

"What to do about homelessness" is another topic...but I'll remind you that that the cop waking up the bum sleeping under newspapers on the park bench with the words "move along" is an ancient icon of American Culture, and that Jesus (no, I'm not a Christian either) once said "The poor will be always with you".

Let us know how you make out convincing the CEOs of the world to pay for your "unofficial voluntary no-government-involved minimum wage program"...and how FNB reacts to your offer to pay for bussing their clients to someplace where they're (more) welcome.

Spexxvet · 07-31-2006, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

..."Entitlement" has a specific meaning in this context. Perhaps you'd prefer to refer to it as "mandatory humanitarianism".

Believe me when I tell you that nobody feels more entitled than a wealthy person.

MaggieL · 07-31-2006, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Believe me when I tell you that nobody feels more entitled than a wealthy person.

Really? Show up at the welfare office on the day when checks are late.

So...where's your "hawks are spending all the tax money"?

Spexxvet · 07-31-2006, 10:51 AM

I think I graciously conceded the point, Maggie. Are you really gonna gloat and rub it in?

Oh, I forgot, magnanimous is not in the conservative dictionary.

Flint · 07-31-2006, 10:32 AM

When was the term "entitlement program" coined? It sounds like spin.

MaggieL · 07-31-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

When was the term "entitlement program" coined? It sounds like spin.

In the Federal budget process...the distinction is "entitlements" vs. "discretionary spending".

see http://www.appropriations.senate.gov...getprocess.htm

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While the size of the annual federal budget has increased in dollar terms (reflecting inflation, increased population and economy) over the years, the proportion available for common government services has shrunk dramatically. Competition among federal agencies for funding is heating up. Over the last three decades, discretionary spending has been cut significantly to accomodate rapid growths in other expenses. Discretionary spending covers everything from road building to police protection to medical research to our national defense -- most of the government services with which Americans are familiar. All other spending is mandatory -- required by law regardless of what is left over for discretionary spending. Mandatory spending includes entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare, and the enormous interest the U.S. must pay every year to finance the national debt.

"Entitlements" because someone has been "entitled" by existing law to receive the money.

Pie · 07-31-2006, 10:39 AM

Welcome to the Cellar.

Flint · 07-31-2006, 10:41 AM

:::slowly backs out of thread:::

Ibby · 07-31-2006, 11:05 AM

Both of you, grow up and stop arguing conservative vs. liberal. Argue conservative points versus liberal points, not conservative nature versus liberal nature.

Pretty please?

Flint · 07-31-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

stop arguing conservative vs. liberal

That was my point, actually.

Clodfobble · 07-31-2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

"Pro-life" begs the question of whether a fetus is in fact human life.

Aren't you the one who is always nagging about the misuse of the expression "begging the question?"

MaggieL · 07-31-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Aren't you the one who is always nagging about the misuse of the expression "begging the question?"

Yes, and I used it correctly. Perhaps you still don't get it.

KinkyVixen · 07-31-2006, 01:54 PM

You can't feed the homeless but you can pay the prostitues for sex.

Spexxvet · 07-31-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KinkyVixen

You can't feed the homeless but you can pay the prostitues for sex.

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07-31-2006, 10:51 AM	#5
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	I think I graciously conceded the point, Maggie. Are you really gonna gloat and rub it in? Oh, I forgot, magnanimous is not in the conservative dictionary. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

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Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	:::slowly backs out of thread::: __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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