Why do we hate the french again?

Welcome to the Cellar, Bargalunan. I am sorry that you would drop in here and read this thread. A Frenchman might well use it as an example of "Why do we hate the Americans?" I hope you'll come back, anyhow. Its interesting to get the perspective of people from other countries.

By the way, I bet most people here would not be able to write French or any other language well enough to comment on a written discussion in a foreign language. Of course, we Americans are sooooo superior!

[mrnoodle]

I like 4 of em: one ex-coworker, one kid I played Rogue Spear with, his friend who he introduced me to in a chatroom (who I've spoken with maybe 3 times -- she doesn't know any English, and my French is nearly as bad), and a guy who used to come into the bait shop I worked at. They liked me okay, too.

I also harbor no ill will towards any of their mothers, which gets me up to 8. I don't know how many fathers they had so I can't add them yet.

[capnhowdy]

Other than the stupid looking Foreign Legion uniforms and that nasty tasting Kraft salad dressing, I say....what the hell.
Welome to the cellar, bargalunan.
Always remember... controversies "R" us.
And BTW did you guys really invent the French tickler? heehee.......

[bargalunan]

Bonjour comment ça va ?
Thank you for your welcome, I will repeat in France that all US people are not bad !
There’s no problem really, if I was on my nerves, I wouldn’t have written a so long message.

How can you kill a French person ?
Shoot above his head, in his complex of superiority

How can you easily make money ?
Buy a French for his real price, and sell him for the price he thinks he worth

A lot of political decisions upset me (French, English, of course US because they rule the world...) So did Rome, France, England before.
I just think that things will change thanks to simple people and not from the head of states.
In France we talk about "the hundredth monkey".

I've really got nothing against US people (as you said lookout123).
If you just could calm down mac donalds, coca cola, Lance Armstrong and Paris Hilton.... :p
How could I be angry with US people when you give birth to Clint Eastwood (Million Dollar Baby and Unforgiven are two of my favorite films ! )

Ten years ago, the US image in France was not so bad : sometimes very good, good or sometimes irritating. But now because of G and GW Bush, the “Falcons” (or “Hawks” ?), Colin Powell and the Gulf war, French people less and less trust American politic.
And we were really disappointed when GW Bush was reelected. We think he’s crazy, idiot and dangerous.

Be sure that French TV not always criticize US politic, they are sleeping. They rather criticize Mickael Jackson’s nose or Janett’s nipple.
But they detailed the reason why Chirac didn’t want to help Bush :
- ONU had never received any evidence that Saddam Hussein was hiding High Destruction Weapons. (Colin Powell has lied in showing a test tube, we’re still waiting for his report)
- There is still no proof of link between Saddam Hussein and Ben Laden.
- so what’s the purpose to invade Irak ?

A French joke :
Why was GW Bush sure that Saddam owned High Destruction Weapons ?
Because he has kept the receipt !
(French and German sold weapons to Irak too, we’re not better)

US army bombs Irak and Halliburton rebuilts the building.
Dick Cheney is the former President of Halliburton (and KBR (private army). For us it’s as crazy as if Ben Ladden Corporation (firm of Oussama BL’s father) had rebuilt the Twin Towers. (I repeat in France we say there’s still no link between Irak and Ben Laden)

It’s my opinion from France. Bush’s government isn’t clear. France, Germany, Spain, China… acted like this before.

In France we foresee war against Iran at end of August / beginning September.
I hope we’re wrong.


lookout123 :
I’ve read again my notes about WWII (written by Russian historian Valentin Faline.)
Usually history is written by the winner !
He said that the war could have finished since 1942 if Churchill and US leaders who agreed with him (FD Roosevelt, Cordel Hull) had agreed to open a new front line that
Beaverbrook and Cripps in British army, and Eisenhower among other leaders were thinking it was possible.
But in fact Anglo Saxon wanted to replace Nazi’s domination over Europe, but they need to weaken Russia. Thus they let Germany and Russian fight against each-other. Churchill wanted also to control petrol in Caucase and Middle Asia. It’s the following of war of Crimée (1854/1856) (west Russia) between Russian on one side, and British allied with French.
After the battle of Koursk, in 1943, Anglo Saxon (Churchill, Roosevelt) even thought to allied with Nazi army to fight against Soviets. (Remember Franco in my last post).
May be those are the reasons why De Gaulle didn’t trust Anglo Saxon politicians.
Economical domination is an argument we often read in France (not in our schoolbooks, it’s too complex !).

Links :
http://www.reseauvoltaire.net/article16696.html (sorry it’s only in French and Spanish)
Item in English about US influence (it’s critical) :
http://www.voltairenetwork.net/article156.html (U.S. ruling class’ bargains with the Reich)
http://www.voltairenetwork.net/article91.html (Psychological Cold War)
http://www.voltairenetwork.net/article39.html (Ford Foundation)
http://www.voltairenetwork.net/article109.html (Skull and bones)

That’s part of my informations. There’s no problem for me if you tell me it’s false.
I’ve read a book I think it’s excellent :
“A People’s History of the United States. 1492 – Present”
written by Howard Zinn, teacher in Boston University

Another French example about WWII : Russia betrayed some French communists (!) (pro Russians) members of the Resistance movement and denounced them to Nazis, because those French people could have helped US troops to arrive the firsts in Berlin !!

So who killed JFK ?
It’s not De Gaulle !
Can you help me ?

In all your posts you often talk about Pershing. In France history his name may take one line. (except for missiles)

Brianna :
"My house was built on an ancient Indian burial ground. It was the site of Satanic rituals, witch-burnings and five John Denver Christmas specials."
It may be strange, do you see ghosts ? play with energy, spirits ? A friend of mine is “talking” with souls to help them to do their last wishes before going to heaven.

Bye

[Trilby]

Hi again, bargalunan.

My little "signature" line about my house being built on ancient Indian burial ground, etc., is just a joke. Because I live in Ohio it is totally possible that I am on some sort of ancient Indian ground, I doubt that it is a burial ground because if it were it would probably be some State sanctioned park or something. The joke is that all those terrible things happened on the site--the Satanic rituals, the witch-burnings, but the most HORRIBLE things were the Five John Denver Christmas Specials...see? Just a joke!

I thought your last response/post was very good, barga. Well thought out, well informed. We need a French voice here in the Cellar! I hope you stay and have fun with us!

[mrnoodle]

Interesting coincidence. I'm housesitting for some friends, who also offered their basement rooms to our church's new pastor and family (big house). The pastor's previous gig was in France, so they're all fluent. The 2 boys have a flawless accent, at least to my untrained ears.

Once again... My pastor is temporarily living under the same roof as me. And his lovely wife and precious kids are completely enamored with France and French culture.

Dad was gone, so mom, the kids, and I played pool and talked in French. I was terrified that I would swear accidentally when I missed a shot, but otherwise, I ended the evening feeling quite magnanimous and warm/fuzzy about the world. And also like a hypocrite. Something about spending the day dissing people, then having a grand old time with them in the evening.

[lookout123]

He said that the war could have finished since 1942 if Churchill and US leaders who agreed with him (FD Roosevelt, Cordel Hull) had agreed to open a new front line that

it is quite possible, but you must remember that America was just breaking out of its isolationist past, unwillingingly at that. then when you look at american strategic thought at the time it looks a little less heinous than what this author suggests. there were concerns that our green, unbloodied young men would be slaughtered if they weren't FULLY trained - and everyone's definition for that is different. there were many different proposals for ops plans, but in the end it was decided that the best course of action was to wait until the US had trained and equipped (haha) an overwhelming number of GI's to send over to the theater. keep in mind that americans were not interested in any sort of negotiated peace so the goal wasn't to fight until a position of strength was achieved and then pause. the goal was to overwhelm and crush the opposition.

[bargalunan]

John Denver is unknown in France (at least for me)

Perhaps is less sexy than Britney Spear

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by bargalunan

John Denver is unknown in France (at least for me)

Perhaps is less sexy than Britney Spear

www.johndenver.com will tell you all you need to know. He was a cheesy guy who wrote and played cheesy songs for cheesy people.

Originally Posted by bargalunan

John Denver is unknown in France (at least for me)

Perhaps is less sexy than Britney Spear

You don't want to know about John Denver. He's dead, thank God. Forget you ever even heard his name. Here in the US, he's just about everyone's favorite singer to hate. Now Jean Luc Ponty...

[dar512]

Originally Posted by marichiko

Here in the US, he's just about everyone's favorite singer to hate.

Oh, I don't know about that. I liked "Poems, Prayers, and Promises" and "Back Home Again".

Originally Posted by dar512

Oh, I don't know about that. I liked "Poems, Prayers, and Promises" and "Back Home Again".

I said "just about everyone's." And if you promise not to breathe a word to another living soul, I'll admit to a sneaking fondness for "Country Roads," myself.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by marichiko

I said "just about everyone's." And if you promise not to breathe a word to another living soul, I'll admit to a sneaking fondness for "Country Roads," myself.

Same here. Although you want to be far away when I sing it in the shower.

[xoxoxoBruce]

But you forget
- another French, George Mandel. Mandel, birth name : Jerobeam Rothschild
- Colonel Edward M. House and Bernard Baruch important employees of the Rothschild Bank.
- David Lloyd George prime minister of Great-Britain with his counsellor, Sir Philip Sassoon, “descendant in line” (translation OK ?) of Amschel Rothschild.
- Vittorio Emanuele Orlando minister-president of Italia.
- The last but not the least : Thomas Woodrow Wilson, president for the United States .
(You can notice the influence of bank Rotschild)

No, I didn't forget. I never forget the power of bankers and their money to shape the world to their advantage. That's always been true but Wilson's input to the treaty was very small because we were the new kids. We had only been in the war a short time and not considered a major player by the rest of the allies.

If I was US I’d try to find information about “the Virginia company” because thanks to it, the Britain Crown could always be the owner of United States. It’s an economical power instead of a political domination which is too evident. Is it true ?

The Virginia Company only lasted for about 20 years in the early 1600s before the King yanked their charter and made Virginia a Crown Colony. It was an attempt to financially exploit "The New World" by the Brits just as the French, Spanish, Portugese and even the Vikings had done. 1776 put an end to that attempt, but then and now, the "Money" will cooperate across political boundries to their own benefit.

I'm glad you're smart enough to realize most of this thread was in fun and most of the barbs were directed at other posters rather than France.
Tell me, has France had to face the largest Evil the world has ever known ....WalMart?

[Undertoad]

I really like that French band Air. This intrigues me, and I want to look into more French pop. Many of the artists I like say they were influenced by Serge Gainsbourg.