What if I've been wrong about W? - Page 6

richlevy · 03-08-2005, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

Don't think for a second, though, that a paradigm shift isn't happening in news media.

Yeah, those 'hard news' stories about the AARP promoting gay marriage and shafting veterans were pretty interesting.

lookout123 · 03-08-2005, 06:39 PM

i was just thinking. wouldn't it be great if we had an election coming up to focus allof our vitriol?

jaguar · 03-08-2005, 04:29 PM

he's so cute! Next he'll be telling us how bush earnt his place at Yale.

redsonia · 03-08-2005, 05:42 PM

Newsweek just had an article last week talking about how modern Iraqi women are increasingly in danger from Iraqi fundamentalists. Many have been killed or threatened. The point was made that while Saddam was
a brutal dictator, women are NOW actually more repressed than they were under his regime. Two steps forward . . .

Undertoad · 03-08-2005, 05:53 PM

Slaves had it great. Three squares and a roof over their head guaranteed. Job protection for life. Nobody would want to give that up.

Lest we forget, that was part of the argument back in the day.

redsonia · 03-08-2005, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Slaves had it great. Three squares and a roof over their head guaranteed. Job protection for life. Nobody would want to give that up.

Lest we forget, that was part of the argument back in the day.

Lest we also forget, black people today are still not socially or economically equal in our society. For all the freedom and equality we preach and try to impose on other nations our own house is not in order.

Bullitt · 03-09-2005, 12:56 AM

Sorry.. I had to.

Troubleshooter · 03-09-2005, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by redsonia

Lest we also forget, black people today are still not socially or economically equal in our society. For all the freedom and equality we preach and try to impose on other nations our own house is not in order.

Our situation is a bit too complex to just toss out a phrase like that. There are people trying to help and people trying to hinder from both sides of the fence.

But I agree that we really need to get our shit in one sock before we take off to try to fix other people's problems.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-09-2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by redsonia

Lest we also forget, black people today are still not socially or economically equal in our society. For all the freedom and equality we preach and try to impose on other nations our own house is not in order.

I get confused. I drive to work through Chester, the poorest city in PA, and I see most of the people are black. Then at work, my inspector, my boss and the CEO/CFO are black. Then I drive back through the slums to go home. It certainly shows both ends of the spectrum.

Troubleshooter · 03-09-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I get confused. I drive to work through Chester, the poorest city in PA, and I see most of the people are black. Then at work, my inspector, my boss and the CEO/CFO are black. Then I drive back through the slums to go home. It certainly shows both ends of the spectrum.

No it's just that the successful (corporate ones, not the thugs) have sold out to Da Man(tm) and have become oreos.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-09-2005, 05:26 PM

Or joined a union where they are treated equally.

Happy Monkey · 03-08-2005, 06:14 PM

To quote Rumsfeld:

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"Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things," Rumsfeld said. "They're also free to live their lives and do wonderful things. And that's what's going to happen here."

Free people are free to commit crimes. The fundamentalists are exercising that freedom.

jaguar · 03-09-2005, 10:08 AM

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Sorry.. I had to.

Utter. Fucking. Gold.
*golf clap*

Happy Monkey · 03-09-2005, 05:31 PM

Wal Mart is all about equality - tearing down small communities, white or black, and making them all slums!

Troubleshooter · 03-09-2005, 05:33 PM

Ah, true, my mistake.

Edit:

Funny that that and this should crop up at the same time:

Wal-Mart Jobs and African-American Dreams

Throughout his life, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. made vital connections between the struggle for civil rights, freedom, economic justice and equality. Dr. King's 1967 "Poor People's Campaign" was a heroic effort to bring all these issues together with a powerful call for family-supporting wages that could build ladders from poverty to prosperity.

It was the dogged pursuit of that vision that motivated sanitation workers in Memphis to fight for a living wage by forming a union. When Dr. King was assassinated, he was supporting those striking workers, whose quest for dignity was captured in their campaign slogan "I am a man."

Dr. King's lessons still resonate, with sometimes painful relevance today. As the automation of the 1960s swept away jobs and living standards, he decried workers being pressed into low-wage jobs with longer hours and no protections. Yet even Dr. King could hardly have imagined that such standards would become the business model for the world's largest employer: Wal-Mart.

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Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Wal Mart is all about equality - tearing down small communities, white or black, and making them all slums! __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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redsonia Wet Nurse's Aide Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bailey, Colorado Posts: 40	Newsweek just had an article last week talking about how modern Iraqi women are increasingly in danger from Iraqi fundamentalists. Many have been killed or threatened. The point was made that while Saddam was a brutal dictator, women are NOW actually more repressed than they were under his regime. Two steps forward . . .

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Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Slaves had it great. Three squares and a roof over their head guaranteed. Job protection for life. Nobody would want to give that up. Lest we forget, that was part of the argument back in the day.

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Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Ah, true, my mistake. Edit: Funny that that and this should crop up at the same time: Wal-Mart Jobs and African-American Dreams Throughout his life, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. made vital connections between the struggle for civil rights, freedom, economic justice and equality. Dr. King's 1967 "Poor People's Campaign" was a heroic effort to bring all these issues together with a powerful call for family-supporting wages that could build ladders from poverty to prosperity. It was the dogged pursuit of that vision that motivated sanitation workers in Memphis to fight for a living wage by forming a union. When Dr. King was assassinated, he was supporting those striking workers, whose quest for dignity was captured in their campaign slogan "I am a man." Dr. King's lessons still resonate, with sometimes painful relevance today. As the automation of the 1960s swept away jobs and living standards, he decried workers being pressed into low-wage jobs with longer hours and no protections. Yet even Dr. King could hardly have imagined that such standards would become the business model for the world's largest employer: Wal-Mart. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle Last edited by Troubleshooter; 03-09-2005 at 05:41 PM.

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