Now that Georgie has lost the Election...

[iamthewalrus109]

All of this talk of George Bush's evilness and the evil nature of all his pursuits begs the question: Isn't he just a manifestation of this country's essence? Sure America gets what it deserves, because America was asleep making money while our government, our miltary, and corporate eminsaries of our government and military were raping the world. Why wake up now? It was all fun and games when times were good and the World Trade Center was still standing, who cares at the time if we're funding groups that lead to the death and opression of thousands of people while claiming to look for fair settlements, freedom and peace, we were drinking lattes and making money. Now when the preverbial shit hits the fan, no one wants to commit to the Militrary-globalist-imperial-capitalisitc machine that keeps all our fat mouths and egos fed. Wake up! It's either your part of the team or not It's either your for oppressive global trade and military practices that slant economic trends towards the US or not, there's no in between. People really think at this point we can turn around and live our little greedy lives withough fitting the bill, they're wrong. It's either we give up a hell of a lot, or we continue to fight these wars, bottom line. If you don't like, quit your job and take up arms, mobilize a formidible opposition, or be part of the pillaging and war machine, otherwise your just straddling the fence I'm afraid.

-Walrus

[Trilby]

Mari--I'm sorry I took a pot-shot at you earlier--it wasn't nice. I'm stressed and heartsick and I even took on the legendary Jag last night as my faith in this country completely collapsed. When bushieboy gives his acceptance speech I hope he remembers that half of us DON'T want this stupid, smarmy, rich-kid, who woulda-shoulda-coulda-flunked-out-of-Yale. course, he's not that self-aware. He's an island for chrissakes.

I know. -5 for poor sentance structure.

[Trilby]

I'm not done with my drama yet.

[jaguar]

Legendary? I feel all warm and mythical.
Won't survive that long on this path. If efforts aren't made to rein in the deficit (which I don't see bush doing) then the collapse of fiat currency will happen well within my lifetime if not the lifetime of the vast majority of people here.

[Trilby]

I'm not leaving--I'm getting dual citizenship so when I travel to the UK I won't be shot!---Oh, am leaving for England, Ireland and Wales June 12, 2005 with some kids from Wilmington college (southwest Ohio) "Origins of Religions" tour. I'll bet I'm not the only "canadian" in the bunch, eh?

[Undertoad]

If you believe there will be a draft, and you voted on that basis, you are a loser, an idiot, and a moron, and I can prove it to within several significant digits.

[Dagney]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

If you believe there will be a draft, and you voted on that basis, you are a loser, an idiot, and a moron, and I can prove it to within several significant digits.

UT, could you please share that information, it could be handy this afternoon.

Dag

[Trilby]

I didn't vote on that basis, UT. It IS a consideration. Prove it. And I don't believe I am an idiot, loser or moron. Other people are, though. Nyah!

[Trilby]

I used to think like you, Dagney. I am just like you only I make pretty good money (for slave labor, that is.)--The republican's tax just as much as the dems only instead of giving it back to the people--where it belongs--they give it to companies like enron, halliburton, adelphia, oh, and to themselves. They squeeze the middle class. My hospital doesn't turn people away because they've no insurance--they eat the cost. Teachers don't deny their students classroom goods, they just pay for it themselves, out of their own pockets, because the money that was supposed to be there from the gov't is now in some rich white guys pocket.

[Dagney]

Hrmm..you didn't get your tax cut in 2003?

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by Dagney

Hrmm..you didn't get your tax cut in 2003?

that wasn't a cut, dag. that was an advance.

[Undertoad]

Well I think we had this discussion here but -- the Pentagon doesn't want or need a draft. Democrat Rangel introduced a bill to reinstate the draft two years ago. Nobody cared. A few weeks ago the legislators brought it back out to make a point, and subsequently voted it down unanimously. Even Rangel voted against his own bill.

A draft is so politically unpopular that neither side will bring it about lest they be voted out the next election. The Pentagon is able to recruit effectively if/when they want to.

All this did not stop Kerry from pressing it in rumorlike fashion, never saying "He will bring back the draft", but instead saying things like "backdoor draft" to describe a condition that volunteers volunteered themselves for. Dancing around the issue in order to take it. The truth is that the draft reflected a different national personality and different national conditions.

The difficult truth is that those red states seem unwilling to believe the D party can be hard-nosed on national defense. Whining about a draft that doesn't and won't exist, won't help.

[Trilby]

No draft--just extension of tours ad infinitem? You've no idea what's to happen in the next four years. No crystal ball. My sons will not go. I'd like to see Jenna and Barbara headed out to Iraq, though.

[garnet]

Originally Posted by Brianna

I'd like to see Jenna and Barbara headed out to Iraq, though.

I wouldn't mind seeing that myself.

[wolf]

If your sons don't want to go, then they shouldn't sign up.

But, doing so is their choice, not yours.

I'm imagining something like the distress felt by pagan families when they find out they've raised a good Christian.

You children will do what they wish to do, and that could even including joining the military.

I come from a good liberal family, you know. My mother is quite ashamed that I'm a conservative. You think you guys are bad in your distress over the Bush Victory? At least I can talk back to you ... talking back to my elderly mother with a heart condition results in trips to the ER that I can do without.