BIDEN - HARRIS 2020

[Ibby]

what does that even mean

[Undertoad]

fascist rhetoric leads to fascist actions. what is the action which is not rhetoric that dear leader has taken that matches the definition of fascism most closely? there are many to choose from. clearing out legit protesters for a photo-op for example would match the definition. it is anti-liberalism and seeks to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture, with a positive view of violence. go

[Ibby]

I dunno what "most closely matches the definition of" means here really. most egregious? most common to all fascists? most beloved by fascists? my gut instinct is to say probably expanding Obama's concentration camps into full-fledged spraying-people-with-poison, mass-sterilization, torture camps?

[Undertoad]

i would say that this wild overstatement and redefinition of terms is a much worse form of rhetoric than jokes, and gives much greater cover and "normalization" to actual fascists

and i'm pretty sure it causes more people to be inclined to vote for him

[Ibby]

calling concentration camps concentration camps is NOT worse than running concentration camps what are you TALKING ABOUT

[Undertoad]

20 alleged hysterectomies* over six years is "mass sterilization"

because you want the gravitas of calling it that, in order to "win" the argument

this little game is everywhere now, and it's gross

3.5 million people are in actual concentration camps in north korea and china being "reeducated" and/or killed. you are giving cover to this by defining the term down

and i'm pretty sure it causes more people to be inclined to vote for him




*if it was for mass sterilization they could have gotten much further just tying tubes. or using norplant, ffs, then big pharma would have gotten a cut

[Ibby]

you heard it here first folks. calling a concentration camp a concentration camp is actually just supporting other concentration camps in other places. being outraged over Dr. "Uterus Collector" and more confirmation of the medical abuse of prisoners in the camps is a little game to win an argument.
how many women have to be forcibly and unnecessarily sterilized by the state before i'm allowed to call it 'mass'?

[Clodfobble]

Here's the thing about the hysterectomies, though--all those procedures were done by one doctor, who has been charged and convicted in the past with performing unnecessary procedures (including hysterectomies, and on white women) for the Medicaid payments. The guy's evil, and I think there's something to be said for the state having higher standards than hiring the guy who can't get work in private practice anymore--but he wasn't instructed by the state to sterilize the folks in his care. If anything, the state would rather let them die of whatever small thing brought them into the obgyn clinic in the first place, because it's cheaper. And the guy would rather do the most extreme solution, because it's more expensive. This one's all about money and nothing more, IMHO.

[Undertoad]

how can you get masses of people to vote for you, well, one way is to get the opposition to claim you are treating illegal immigrants as harshly as possible when they cross the border to compete for those voters' jobs

then get all the free media and everyone on message boards to share that idea without having to buy a single ad

omg he is putting them in concentration camps...! awesome

you are helping him and you can't even see it

[Ibby]

"calling them concentration camps will make people who like concentration camps vote for the guy who likes concentration camps" is a scathing indictment of the system (and an illustration of how fascism is the thing that kills democracies) but not an argument to ignore or downplay them.

[Undertoad]

calling them concentration camps will help people who like to have jobs vote for the guy FTFY. Those folks don't believe they are actually concentration camps

the only winning strategy, electorally or in life, is to describe everything accurately

ETA, not insulting the electorate helps too

[xoxoxoBruce]

1. The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition.

[footfootfoot]

The spoor decided, tonight, that Biden could drive to Texas in a Chevy pickup truck, shoot half the game in the state, taxiderm them all himself, buy everyone a new truck, take the Proud Boys and their families out to Barbecue and beer, lynch a black man and he still would lose to Trump in the election.

[BigV]

I don't know what spores the spoor has partaken, but for me--hard pass.

Wow.

+10 on political involvement tho.

[sexobon]

Don't you just love it when a plan comes together...

Originally Posted by sexobon

Trump is mostly expendable now. ...

... For those of us playing the long game, any Republican would have done in the last election: it just happened to end up being Trump. The strategic objective was to elect whoever could get a conservative majority on the US Supreme court. That keeps liberal justices from appeasing simple majorities by reinterpreting (spinning) the US Constitution to effect change; thus, bypassing the 2/3 majority needed to effect change by changing the Constitution....