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xoxoxoBruce · 01-01-2019, 12:17 PM

Be a porcupine, they achieve all that and still manage to reproduce.

tw · 01-01-2019, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Become politically active?

Long before one should become politically active, one should become secually active. We all learned that in the 60s. If in doubt, consult a large library of 60s and 70s rock and roll.

richlevy · 01-02-2019, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

Long before one should become politically active, one should become secually active. We all learned that in the 60s. If in doubt, consult a large library of 60s and 70s rock and roll.

If you can explain what 'secually active' entails, I might consider it. If it involves secession then you're talking the 1860's.🎩

Undertoad · 12-31-2018, 02:01 PM

This is in the intro to "On Liberty" in which he's working out the role of utilitarianism in governing, but he's admitting that there is a "tyranny of the majority" that applies outside of government. And fighting that is just as important as fighting government tyranny. (although he had not seen the horrors of the 20th century yet, this was 1869)

He goes on to say

"Protection, therefore, against the tyranny of the magistrate is not enough: there needs protection also against the tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling; against the tendency of society to impose, by other means than civil penalties, its own ideas and practices as rules of conduct on those who dissent from them; to fetter the development, and, if possible, prevent the formation, of any individuality not in harmony with its ways, and compel all characters to fashion themselves upon the model of its own. There is a limit to the legitimate interference of collective opinion with individual independence: and to find that limit, and maintain it against encroachment, is as indispensable to a good condition of human affairs, as protection against political despotism."

Griff · 12-31-2018, 04:08 PM

solid

Clodfobble · 12-31-2018, 06:09 PM

Wonder what he would think about a prevailing social norm of diversity? Kind of leads into a "everything in moderation, including moderation itself" vibe.

sexobon · 12-31-2018, 08:27 PM

To frame this in other contemporary notions:

Seems that it would recognize diversity achieved through societal peer pressure as being expected and acceptable while that obtained through societal bullying to be illegitimate and best prevented. Bullying can come from greater society; or, any self serving subset. This suggests limitations on the means of achieving diversity rather than moderation in end results would be the goal.

sexobon · 01-01-2019, 12:26 PM

Is Porcupine a form of Kung Fu like Drunken Monkey?

xoxoxoBruce · 01-01-2019, 12:28 PM

Not the same quillity.

sexobon · 01-01-2019, 12:31 PM

I see your point.

henry quirk · 01-01-2019, 12:57 PM

If you're lookin' to waste time: go for it.

Flint · 01-03-2019, 05:51 PM

henry, don't you care about people in wheelchairs?

henry quirk · 01-03-2019, 06:04 PM

Nope.

Griff · 01-03-2019, 08:31 PM

I believe we are done. I've enjoyed our little talk.

henry quirk · 01-03-2019, 09:16 PM

01-01-2019, 12:17 PM	#1
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Be a porcupine, they achieve all that and still manage to reproduce. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-31-2018, 04:08 PM	#5
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	solid __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

12-31-2018, 06:09 PM	#6
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Wonder what he would think about a prevailing social norm of diversity? Kind of leads into a "everything in moderation, including moderation itself" vibe. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

01-01-2019, 12:28 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Not the same quillity. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

01-01-2019, 12:57 PM	#11
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"Become politically active?" If you're lookin' to waste time: go for it.

12-31-2018, 02:01 PM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	This is in the intro to "On Liberty" in which he's working out the role of utilitarianism in governing, but he's admitting that there is a "tyranny of the majority" that applies outside of government. And fighting that is just as important as fighting government tyranny. (although he had not seen the horrors of the 20th century yet, this was 1869) He goes on to say "Protection, therefore, against the tyranny of the magistrate is not enough: there needs protection also against the tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling; against the tendency of society to impose, by other means than civil penalties, its own ideas and practices as rules of conduct on those who dissent from them; to fetter the development, and, if possible, prevent the formation, of any individuality not in harmony with its ways, and compel all characters to fashion themselves upon the model of its own. There is a limit to the legitimate interference of collective opinion with individual independence: and to find that limit, and maintain it against encroachment, is as indispensable to a good condition of human affairs, as protection against political despotism."

12-31-2018, 08:27 PM	#7
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	To frame this in other contemporary notions: Seems that it would recognize diversity achieved through societal peer pressure as being expected and acceptable while that obtained through societal bullying to be illegitimate and best prevented. Bullying can come from greater society; or, any self serving subset. This suggests limitations on the means of achieving diversity rather than moderation in end results would be the goal.

01-01-2019, 12:26 PM	#8
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	Is Porcupine a form of Kung Fu like Drunken Monkey?

01-01-2019, 12:31 PM	#10
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	I see your point.

01-03-2019, 05:51 PM	#12
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	henry, don't you care about people in wheelchairs? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

01-03-2019, 06:04 PM	#13
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"henry, don't you care about people in wheelchairs?" Nope.

01-03-2019, 08:31 PM	#14
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I believe we are done. I've enjoyed our little talk. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

01-03-2019, 09:16 PM	#15
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162

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