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Old 11-26-2012, 10:27 AM   #1
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Few young people today perceive what's in their interest because they are so massively ignorant of history, civics, economics, geography, physics and basic math. They've been told what to think, but they haven't been taught how to think logically.
Aside from the rest, this is a statement with which I mostly agree. Sad but true.
With two kids through HS and one graduated from college, it has become increasingly apparent that teachers are teaching the students what they need to pass some state test more so than to think on their own - regurgitating facts and formulas instead of HOW to think.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:05 PM   #2
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It is true but that is a separate issue. I don't see it is full out indoctrination though (which the article implies).

Also, I strongly disagree that voting for Romney was in the best interests of my generation. That is the main point that irks me.


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Old 11-26-2012, 12:21 PM   #3
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voting for Romney was in the best interests of my generation.
I didn't imply that Pierce. I was off on a teaching tangent.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:27 PM   #4
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I know. I agree with you.

I criticized the article's implication that our poor critical thinking education is causing young voters to vote against their own interest. First, I don't think my generation's critical thinking skills are any worse than you old timers . Second, I don't think voting for Romney was in my generation's best economic or social interests.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:52 PM   #5
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I'm pretty convinced my g-g-g-generation is about as dumb as all that came before it, but not much more. The stupid people are just, via the internet, much, much more obvious.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:19 PM   #6
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I'm repeatedly amazed how many people don't know how the government works/is supposed to work, and are not embarrassed by that. In fact some tell me are proud of not knowing, and they feel not participating makes them guiltless in anything that bad happens in the world/country. "Don't blame me, I didn't vote for him/her/them."

I don't know which is scarier, the ones that opt out, or the ones that vote uninformed.
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:02 AM   #7
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I'm repeatedly amazed how many people
don't know how the government works/is supposed to work,
and are not embarrassed by that.
In fact some tell me are proud of not knowing, and they feel not participating
makes them guiltless in anything that bad happens in the world/country.
"Don't blame me, I didn't vote for him/her/them."

I don't know which is scarier, the ones that opt out, or the ones that vote uninformed.
xoB, don't worry about it. Time heals everything.

You can't find anyone now that voted for Nixon, and soon it will be the same with Romney.
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:23 PM   #8
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Not so, I voted for Nixon... the first time. He promised to end the war.
I was very angry when he betrayed me, and actively campaigned against him the second time. I called off my engagement when she told me she had voted for Nixon because her boss told her it would be good for business.
Yes, that angry.

The right wingers, which are all around me, are telling me they voted for Romney and he should have won, but Obamaites stole the election. The political climate has changed so much, I think we'll hear a lot of that for the next four years.
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:31 PM   #9
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Not so, I voted for Nixon... the first time. He promised to end the war.
Me too !!!

Maybe it was Nixon that turned me into such a mild mannered, wishy washy liberal.
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:17 AM   #10
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I'll take the uniformed for $200 please.
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:38 AM   #11
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No way. I'm much happier with folks who don't bother than people who don't know shit about what they're doing.

...especially since conservatives have a MUCH higher percentage of "low-information" voters.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:39 AM   #12
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...especially since conservatives have a MUCH higher percentage of "low-information" voters.
Don't mix convenient narrative with reality. I doubt your blue inner-city precincts have any more informed electorate than red rural districts. They both vote based on tradition. If Jon Huntsman had somehow escaped the GOP primary the red rural districts would have been on the "right" side of history.
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Old 11-27-2012, 07:04 AM   #13
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Absolutely, uninformed/misinformed is equally prevalent in every segment, by party, by location, or any other designation.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:35 PM   #14
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^^me too^^

Then Perot! lol
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:46 AM   #15
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this was my first presidential election, and i'm pretty proud to say my first ever presidential vote was for Obama. I mean, sure, that's true of a lot of people, but still, its real historically significant and will feel really cool to be able to say in a few decades.
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