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sexobon · 11-22-2010, 12:54 PM

FINALLY - A great alternative to body scanners at airports ...

The Israelis are developing an airport security device that eliminates the privacy concerns that come with full-body scanners at airports. It’s a booth you can step into that will not X-ray you; but, WILL detonate any explosive device you may have on you. They see this as a win-win for everyone, with none of this crap about racial profiling. It also would eliminate the costs of a long and expensive trial. Justice would be swift. Case closed!

You're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system: "Attention standby passengers ... we now have a seat available on flight number XXXX. Shalom!

classicman · 11-22-2010, 01:04 PM

HA! That would be too cool.

classicman · 11-22-2010, 01:06 PM

FWIW - I thought this was a well written article about the subject.

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The feds are losing control of the debate over the Transportation Security Administration's (TSA) new full-body scanners and enhanced pat-down techniques. A combination of well-intentioned privacy concerns and Internet lore could spell doom for the public acceptance of the new measures.

It's not so complicated. Upon reaching an airport's security area, travelers are asked to undergo a full-body scan by an Advanced Imaging Technology scanner. If they don't want the scan, they can opt for a pat-down by a TSA official. Simple, and yet there are so many rumors about this procedure that there's a need to separate fact from fiction.

Read more:

Spexxvet · 11-22-2010, 01:48 PM

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It's not so complicated. Upon reaching an airport's security area, travelers are asked to undergo a full-body scan by an Advanced Imaging Technology scanner. If they don't want the scan, they can opt for a pat-down by a TSA official.

And if you don't want either, DON'T FLY! Take a bus, FFS.

Bullitt · 11-22-2010, 05:19 PM

Or protest to your Congressman about these overly invasive searches that trample civil liberties. Stand up for yourself or be cattle. Yesm Mr. Pretend Cop you sures knows what is best for me. I do whatever you wants me to mistah.

In other news, TSA screeners are just as poorly and inconsistently trained as you think:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/tsa-training/

Spexxvet · 11-23-2010, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt

Or protest to your Congressman about these overly invasive searches that trample civil liberties. Stand up for yourself or be cattle. Yesm Mr. Pretend Cop you sures knows what is best for me. I do whatever you wants me to mistah.

If you give up, the terrorists win. Think of the children!

Bullitt · 11-24-2010, 01:47 AM

No the terrorists are winning now. We are flushing down the toilet foundational pieces of our society in the name of pseudo-safety for an industry that is already among the safest ways to travel. Never mind that the infamous "underwear bomber" boarded the plane outside the US. Never mind that neither the scanners nor the pat downs can detect items hidden inside body cavities.

A good read: http://noblasters.com/post/1650102322/my-tsa-encounter

A good video starring Adam Savage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3yaqq9Jjb4

xoxoxoBruce · 11-25-2010, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

If you give up, the terrorists win. Think of the children!

Like the one strip searched for no reason, here.

Clodfobble · 11-22-2010, 09:17 PM

In my experience, the smaller the airport, the pettier the TSA guys. Just like the rent-a-cop at the apartment complex.

When traveling with a baby and 2 kids, I went through three major airports carrying multiple large containers of liquids, and an epi-pen with a needle in it. No one cared. It was only at the rinky-dink airport in Peoria-fuckin-Illinois, the one that gets a total of three flights in per day, that they harassed me about every baby bottle, every eczema skin cream, the epi-pen, and even made me pull the sleeping baby out of his sling in order to prove I wasn't hiding explosives underneath him.

Cloud · 11-25-2010, 11:23 AM

I'll be searched no matter what, so no use in getting all twisted around about it.

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Hidden items such as body piercings may result in your being directed to additional screening for a pat-down inspection. If selected for additional screening, you may ask to remove your body piercing in private as an alternative to the pat-down search.

Undertoad · 11-25-2010, 01:02 PM

From where I sit you keep on making this minor mistake, C.

The issue is not whether YOU, Cloud, PERSONALLY are fine with being seen naked or groped.

Also, the issue is not whether you think EVERYBODY should be fine with being seen naked or groped.

The issue is whether it is a violation of the rights of the people, and which rights the people are prepared to give up in order to travel, when private airport security is replaced by ~~jackbooted government thugs~~ agents of the Federal government.

Put on your law hat:

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Originally Posted by 4th Amendment

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

It doesn't say "...unless you enter the airport."

Lamplighter · 11-25-2010, 01:12 PM

Excellent post, UT... succinct and on point !

Cloud · 11-25-2010, 01:21 PM

well, it's not a mistake to me--it's a personal issue. I get what you're saying, but am still not bothered by any supposed "violation of rights." I'd rather exercise my right to take reasonable safety precautions against being blown up. If they tried to make me remove jewelry then yes, I'd be upset--personally. Otherwise--not really.

Undertoad · 11-25-2010, 01:34 PM

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I'd rather exercise my right to take reasonable safety precautions against being blown up.

That is not a "right".

What you are demanding is to force others to give up their rights through these screenings.

Cloud · 11-25-2010, 01:39 PM

demanding? I think I'm more resigned. flying is not a "right" either.

11-22-2010, 01:04 PM	#2
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	HA! That would be too cool. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

11-22-2010, 05:19 PM	#5
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	Or protest to your Congressman about these overly invasive searches that trample civil liberties. Stand up for yourself or be cattle. Yesm Mr. Pretend Cop you sures knows what is best for me. I do whatever you wants me to mistah. In other news, TSA screeners are just as poorly and inconsistently trained as you think: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/tsa-training/ __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass.

11-24-2010, 01:47 AM	#7
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	No the terrorists are winning now. We are flushing down the toilet foundational pieces of our society in the name of pseudo-safety for an industry that is already among the safest ways to travel. Never mind that the infamous "underwear bomber" boarded the plane outside the US. Never mind that neither the scanners nor the pat downs can detect items hidden inside body cavities. A good read: http://noblasters.com/post/1650102322/my-tsa-encounter A good video starring Adam Savage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3yaqq9Jjb4 __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass.

11-22-2010, 09:17 PM	#9
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	In my experience, the smaller the airport, the pettier the TSA guys. Just like the rent-a-cop at the apartment complex. When traveling with a baby and 2 kids, I went through three major airports carrying multiple large containers of liquids, and an epi-pen with a needle in it. No one cared. It was only at the rinky-dink airport in Peoria-fuckin-Illinois, the one that gets a total of three flights in per day, that they harassed me about every baby bottle, every eczema skin cream, the epi-pen, and even made me pull the sleeping baby out of his sling in order to prove I wasn't hiding explosives underneath him. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

11-25-2010, 01:21 PM	#13
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	well, it's not a mistake to me--it's a personal issue. I get what you're saying, but am still not bothered by any supposed "violation of rights." I'd rather exercise my right to take reasonable safety precautions against being blown up. If they tried to make me remove jewelry then yes, I'd be upset--personally. Otherwise--not really. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

11-22-2010, 12:54 PM	#1
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	FINALLY - A great alternative to body scanners at airports ... The Israelis are developing an airport security device that eliminates the privacy concerns that come with full-body scanners at airports. It’s a booth you can step into that will not X-ray you; but, WILL detonate any explosive device you may have on you. They see this as a win-win for everyone, with none of this crap about racial profiling. It also would eliminate the costs of a long and expensive trial. Justice would be swift. Case closed! You're in the airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion. Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system: "Attention standby passengers ... we now have a seat available on flight number XXXX. Shalom!

11-25-2010, 01:12 PM	#12
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Excellent post, UT... succinct and on point !

11-25-2010, 01:39 PM	#15
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	demanding? I think I'm more resigned. flying is not a "right" either. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

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