Immigration Enforcement Un-American? - Page 6

TGRR · 03-22-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Dude give it up. Are you Radar's twin brother? You are nothing more than another person who thinks they are an expert at something you have convinced yourself you are right about. The world is filled with people like you. Get in line and get a helmet. I don't care what you believe about it. Now get back to that crystal ball and tell me more about myself.

And do some shots or something. Relax.

No, seriously, tell me where the constitution is declared to be a contract between the federal government and the states?

I am a totally captive audience, here.

TheMercenary · 03-22-2009, 08:48 PM

Hannity, Rush, and Boortz told me so at the latest hippie neocon convention where we were all doing some Koolaid-guzzling with sheep. It must be twew..

They read it in their crystal balls. Serious.

monster · 03-22-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The Constitution is a contract between the Federal government and the states. Nothing more.

Non-citizens have the right to be deported to their country of origin.

"We the People of the United States.." not we the people of England, or we the people of Brazil.

Nice try.

I have rights beyond deportation.

It doesn't say "We the Legal Citizens of the United States"

nice try.

TheMercenary · 03-22-2009, 08:50 PM

I do believe that anyone here under legal immigration status has legal rights which are protected under the Constitution. The problem is with illegal immigrants and those arrested under other circumstances outside the borders of the US. The subject is obviously a debateable one or we wouldn't have many of the problems we have in detaining non-citizens.

TGRR · 03-22-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by monster

I have rights beyond deportation.

It doesn't say "We the Legal Citizens of the United States"

nice try.

Either he can't tell the difference between "the people" and "no person/any person", or he doesn't consider brown folks to be "persons".

TGRR · 03-22-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I do believe that anyone here under legal immigration status has legal rights which are protected under the Constitution. The problem is with illegal immigrants and those arrested under other circumstances outside the borders of the US. The subject is obviously a debateable one or we wouldn't have many of the problems we have in detaining non-citizens.

The problem we have is that this administration and the one before it don't care much about the constitution.

TheMercenary · 03-22-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TGRR

Either he can't tell the difference between "the people" and "no person/any person", or he doesn't consider brown folks to be "persons".

There you go hating on people of color. Man you need to seek help for that.

Actually his weak attempts to equate immigration control to some sort of racist ideals is often used by supporters of open borders in an attempt to demonize those who disagree with them. Eh, whateva...

TGRR · 03-22-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

There you go hating on people of color.

Can you even read? No, seriously.

monster · 03-22-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

Bullshit. Go through the legal process or get out. I don't care why you came illegally, only that you did come illegally. The cop doesn't care too much about my reason for running 80 in a 35 speed zone.

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Legal process isn't always an option for people who are fleeing persecution. Added to that some may have a very understandable fear (terror) of authority, leading them to try slipping under the radar.

[eta] and if you had a pregnant wife in the back going into labour, he may not be a bastard about it.

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Originally Posted by lookout123

I appreciate your concern Dana. I also would like to give personal, individual consideration to each person, but that isn't how laws work. I do believe in black and white enforcement even if it is sometimes harsh on some individuals. I can think of nothing more fair in life than applying the exact same rules to every single person.

I'm guessing you're not of Jewish descent then? because I'm pretty sure they didn't have much time or opportunity to fill in the correct paperwork for their destinations before they fled from the Nazis.

lookout123 · 03-23-2009, 06:56 PM

Hey look, here comes Godwin.

DanaC · 03-23-2009, 06:58 PM

Umm...I don't think we can call out the Godwin card on this one. The discussion had ranged onto people seeking asylum and the holocaust is entirely appropriate to that discussion.

ZenGum · 03-23-2009, 08:32 PM

Calling Quirk's exception, eh Dana?

sugarpop · 03-23-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

The reason those people can't get the care they get, is not because illegal immigrants have taken the care they should have had. It doesn't have to be either or. My God, the damage that has been done to your economy and to your families by a handful of glorified robber barons and yet billions can be found to patch up the wounds they left. You could let everybody in who wanted to come in and you'd probably do less damage to your economy and ramp up the national debt considerably less than the bankers have.

Illegal immigrants are an easy target for anger. But as individuals what they've done is insignificant.

I agree about the robber barons. Trust me, I have been raging about that issue for years. However, the argument that illegal immigrants cost taxpayers many billions of dollars every year is valid, and the fact that they send billions to Mexico every year makes it an even bigger slap in the face. The laws need to be enforced. As individuals the damage may not be all that significant, but as a whole, it is enormous.

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monster · 03-23-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Umm...I don't think we can call out the Godwin card on this one. The discussion had ranged onto people seeking asylum and the holocaust is entirely appropriate to that discussion.

I tried long and hard to avoid the possibility of invoking Godwin, but beest assured me that it really was the correct term in this context. And he's as sound as they come. Anyone who has ever been offended by anything he posted should just jump off a cliff right now.

Bullitt · 03-23-2009, 10:35 PM

I'm not so sure it's all that appropriate of a comparison given the drastically different circumstances under which the Jews and others were fleeing, as opposed to the current US/Mexico situation. Things may be bad in Mexico right now, but the events of and leading up to the Holocaust were on a totally different level. Yeah on a superficial basis it works, people fleeing a bad situation where innocents are being killed, but the greater details of both show that's where the similarities really end. And to me that kind of cheapens the attempted comparison.

03-22-2009, 08:48 PM	#77
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Hannity, Rush, and Boortz told me so at the latest hippie neocon convention where we were all doing some Koolaid-guzzling with sheep. It must be twew.. They read it in their crystal balls. Serious. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-22-2009, 08:50 PM	#79
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I do believe that anyone here under legal immigration status has legal rights which are protected under the Constitution. The problem is with illegal immigrants and those arrested under other circumstances outside the borders of the US. The subject is obviously a debateable one or we wouldn't have many of the problems we have in detaining non-citizens. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-23-2009, 06:56 PM	#85
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Hey look, here comes Godwin. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-23-2009, 08:32 PM	#87
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Calling Quirk's exception, eh Dana? __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

03-23-2009, 10:35 PM	#90
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	I'm not so sure it's all that appropriate of a comparison given the drastically different circumstances under which the Jews and others were fleeing, as opposed to the current US/Mexico situation. Things may be bad in Mexico right now, but the events of and leading up to the Holocaust were on a totally different level. Yeah on a superficial basis it works, people fleeing a bad situation where innocents are being killed, but the greater details of both show that's where the similarities really end. And to me that kind of cheapens the attempted comparison. __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass.

03-23-2009, 06:58 PM	#86
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Umm...I don't think we can call out the Godwin card on this one. The discussion had ranged onto people seeking asylum and the holocaust is entirely appropriate to that discussion.

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