08/07/02: Bitch. - Page 6

elSicomoro · 08-14-2002, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by Parmenion
Yeah - words mean nothing.

In this situation, you are 100% correct. You've already proven yourself to be a troll, so your words mean nothing, at least to me. :)

08-14-2002, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by juju
The argument isn't "words mean nothing". The argument is, "Words only have the meaning that people give them". That's a huge difference.

Please don't get angry and assume someone is dumb just because you don't understand their argument. It's okay to disagree. Really.

There is no reason to explain anything to Parmenion, juju. They have serious trouble reading and exist only to spew venom. They are of the lowest order of trolls, those who cannot compose a well crafted message and must therefore provoke by insult. Don't waste your time with them, because they are not interested in discussion. They have issues that they are unable to address in a positive manner and so they take out their anger in online communities. They are best added to the Ignore list (under user cp) and forgotten.

MaggieL · 08-14-2002, 03:06 PM

Truly, as far as I can see, nobody here was saying that "words mean nothing" or "words don't have effects". The discussion was about the effects speech can have beyond the speaker's concious, even express, intent.

I think Parmenion's intention was quite clear to everyone, and completely inapproriate.

ladysycamore · 08-14-2002, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by dhamsaic
Why is it that middle aged people seem to always go through a phase of "I have been here long enough to know how everything works, and while you say one thing, I know that it is not the truth"? It seems to be the exact opposite of older people (70's, 80's), as they seem more accepting of new ideas. I have ran into this many times in my life, where someone will tell me that I am wrong even when I am right (take, as an example, the Havarti Cheese Incident, the Dryer Incident or the Maggie Knows How I Feel Better Than I Do Incident). It is one of the most absurd phenomenons I have witnessed in my little time on this silly Earth. The thinking seems to be "because I am older, I am right" or "because you are younger, you are incapable of having a valid argument". The closed-mindedness is simply astounding to me - these people could never utter "touché" because they are unable to see any flaw in their argument (or truth in their adversary's). Has anyone else noticed this? And what the fuck is going on?

Been there, done that, own the T-shirt...and it sucks ass. I've met a bunch of so-called self proclaimed "older and wiser" folk, and a lot of times, the extent of their "wisdom" amounted to a hill of beans! By the same token, I've met younger people who had a lot to say, and sounded years ahead of their older counterparts.

I currently work closely in my department with an older woman (I think she's in her fifties or early sixties). She's a great person, and she doesn't reek of that "I'm older, therefore I'm right all of the time" crap. I feel that we are equal in our efforts to get the job done, and get it done right. Sometimes, she'll come across a tad bit "high and mighty", but it's so mild that it's not a big deal.

Nic Name · 08-14-2002, 04:19 PM

Age has little to do with it.

Old folks who think they have all the answers thought they had all the answers when they were young and couldn't understand why older folks thought they had all the answers.

ladysycamore · 08-14-2002, 05:05 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Parmenion
[b]Ladysycamore sed:

Well said. That's pretty much hitting the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. You can't imagine the amount of times that I MUST tell people that they absolutely do.not.own such a "power" over people.

Oh excellent. People have no power over other people, but you just MUST tell others what they have and haven't got a right to do.

My statement was about power over MYSELF, not others.

Try eating less, maybe your fat head will stop being full of cholesterol and a couple of brain cells will recover.

Thanks to Lipitor, my cholesterol is down. :-)

[b]Like any afro-americans wouldn't be annoyed by this post.{/B]

*shrugs* Oh well. If they do, then they do. And?

ladysycamore · 08-14-2002, 05:11 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Parmenion
Besides, shouldn't you be helping your fat significant other with her dialysis machine, or something?

Gee, how did you know that he helps out? I'd doubt you'd do the same, with your evil self.

Maybe go to the hospital again, and have your heart checked. Short fat white fucks like you have an ever-decreasing life span these days.

You could easily be put on that list as well...

Hope you enjoy life by the time you're fifty or sixty, if you even get there, smoker boy.

Hrm...interesting choice of words...

Anyway, time to killfile (ignore-list) both of you - and Sycamore's fat useless woman.

Whooo, such a BIG man now. Use that big, bad killfile...LMAO! This is priceless!

Undertoad · 08-14-2002, 05:44 PM

For all four of your posts, Parm, you really look like a badass.

Too bad you won't let us in on your true identity so that we could all killfile that one as well.

08-14-2002, 05:57 PM

I think the mistake being made here is thinking that one should bother replying to Parmenion. They are sorely full of themselves ("But my words still hurt." when no one really cares about their opinion or what they say at all) and are just looking for attention. That's fine - we all need attention. But I don't think it's worth it to give to someone who won't give back. They are hiding behind a handle because they are afraid - whether they'll admit it or not. That's okay, it's just a bother having to read through their posts.

Again, I'd recommend putting Parmenion on your ignore list and forgetting about them.

elSicomoro · 08-14-2002, 09:01 PM

The posts are like car wrecks...you can't help but look at 'em.

Dave, your post and the other postings today reminded me of an Ice-T line: "They talk a mean fight, but fight like hoes."

Hey...stop the presses! When did I solely become white? I better call my mom...

MaggieL · 08-15-2002, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by MaggieL

Now, convince me I'm wrong by answering the already-asked questions: "What does "fag" actually mean when you say it in this special way to these special people? And why do you use "fag" to convey that meaning?"

Third asking, dham. I'm not about to let diversionary gambits take me off-point.

elSicomoro · 08-15-2002, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by MaggieL
Third asking, dham. I'm not about to let diversionary gambits take me off-point.

I believe you are on his ignore list.

MaggieL · 08-15-2002, 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by sycamore

I believe you are on his ignore list.

Oh. Well, I wasn't about to let someone profit by that whole sordid mess. For me that reinforces the "diversionary tactic" theory over the "random troll" theory.

elSicomoro · 08-15-2002, 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by MaggieL

Oh. Well, I wasn't about to let someone profit by that whole sordid mess. For me that reinforces the "diversionary tactic" theory over the "random troll" theory.

For me, it reinforces the "Some people are tired of Maggie's bullshit" theory.

MaggieL · 08-15-2002, 09:37 PM

Well, there's all kinds of BS.

You see posts that mention things I (and a number of other people) wrote about and you're suspicious it's me, even though anybody who runs a Cellar search has all that information too.

I see posts that I know I didn't write, perhaps clumsily crafted to look like they came from me, and then somebody opens a thread in their own forum openly accusing me (with no more evidence than you or I have) of being the sockpuppet, and I develop my own suspicions.

Tony's client-string information is interesting, though...if I was going though an anonymizing proxy I probably wouldn't bother to hack the client string, even though in the past I've busted sockpuppets on mailing lists because they were using an obscure mail client that had a distinctive header.

So, if dham was in the same situation, I don't think he would bother with it either. For my money that suggests strongly that somebody else is responsible for that crap.

08-14-2002, 03:06 PM	#78
MaggieL in the Hour of Scampering Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Jeffersonville PA (15 mi NW of Philadelphia) Posts: 4,060	Truly, as far as I can see, nobody here was saying that "words mean nothing" or "words don't have effects". The discussion was about the effects speech can have beyond the speaker's concious, even express, intent. I think Parmenion's intention was quite clear to everyone, and completely inapproriate. __________________ "Neither can his Mind be thought to be in Tune,whose words do jarre; nor his reason In frame, whose sentence is preposterous..." Last edited by MaggieL; 08-14-2002 at 05:01 PM.

08-14-2002, 05:05 PM	#81
ladysycamore "I may not always be perfect, but I'm always me." Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In Sycamore's boxers Posts: 1,341	[quote]Originally posted by Parmenion [b]Ladysycamore sed: Well said. That's pretty much hitting the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. You can't imagine the amount of times that I MUST tell people that they absolutely do.not.own such a "power" over people. Oh excellent. People have no power over other people, but you** just MUST tell others what they have and haven't got a right to do. My statement was about power over MYSELF, not others. Try eating less, maybe your fat head will stop being full of cholesterol and a couple of brain cells will recover.** Thanks to Lipitor, my cholesterol is down. :-) [b]Like any afro-americans wouldn't be annoyed by this post.{/B] shrugs Oh well. If they do, then they do. And? __________________ "Freedom is not given. It is our right at birth. But there are some moments when it must be taken." ~Tagline from the movie "Amistad"~ "The Akan concept of Sankofa: In order to move forward we first have to take a step back. In other words, before we can be prepared for the future, we must comprehend the past." From "We Did It, They Hid It"

08-14-2002, 05:11 PM	#82
ladysycamore "I may not always be perfect, but I'm always me." Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In Sycamore's boxers Posts: 1,341	[quote]Originally posted by Parmenion Besides, shouldn't you be helping your fat significant other with her dialysis machine, or something? Gee, how did you know that he helps out? I'd doubt you'd do the same, with your evil self. Maybe go to the hospital again, and have your heart checked. Short fat white fucks like you have an ever-decreasing life span these days. You could easily be put on that list as well... Hope you enjoy life by the time you're fifty or sixty, if you even get there, smoker boy. Hrm...interesting choice of words... Anyway, time to killfile (ignore-list) both of you - and Sycamore's fat useless woman. Whooo, such a BIG man now. Use that big, bad killfile...LMAO! This is priceless! __________________ "Freedom is not given. It is our right at birth. But there are some moments when it must be taken." ~Tagline from the movie "Amistad"~ "The Akan concept of Sankofa: In order to move forward we first have to take a step back. In other words, before we can be prepared for the future, we must comprehend the past." From "We Did It, They Hid It"

08-15-2002, 09:37 PM	#90
MaggieL in the Hour of Scampering Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Jeffersonville PA (15 mi NW of Philadelphia) Posts: 4,060	Well, there's all kinds of BS. You see posts that mention things I (and a number of other people) wrote about and you're suspicious it's me, even though anybody who runs a Cellar search has all that information too. I see posts that I know I didn't write, perhaps clumsily crafted to look like they came from me, and then somebody opens a thread in their own forum openly accusing me (with no more evidence than you or I have) of being the sockpuppet, and I develop my own suspicions. Tony's client-string information is interesting, though...if I was going though an anonymizing proxy I probably wouldn't bother to hack the client string, even though in the past I've busted sockpuppets on mailing lists because they were using an obscure mail client that had a distinctive header. So, if dham was in the same situation, I don't think he would bother with it either. For my money that suggests strongly that somebody else is responsible for that crap. __________________ "Neither can his Mind be thought to be in Tune,whose words do jarre; nor his reason In frame, whose sentence is preposterous..."

08-14-2002, 04:19 PM	#80
Nic Name retired Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,930	Age has little to do with it. Old folks who think they have all the answers thought they had all the answers when they were young and couldn't understand why older folks thought they had all the answers.

08-14-2002, 05:44 PM	#83
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	For all four of your posts, Parm, you really look like a badass. Too bad you won't let us in on your true identity so that we could all killfile that one as well.

08-14-2002, 05:57 PM	#84
dave Guest Posts: n/a	I think the mistake being made here is thinking that one should bother replying to Parmenion. They are sorely full of themselves ("But my words still hurt." when no one really cares about their opinion or what they say at all) and are just looking for attention. That's fine - we all need attention. But I don't think it's worth it to give to someone who won't give back. They are hiding behind a handle because they are afraid - whether they'll admit it or not. That's okay, it's just a bother having to read through their posts. Again, I'd recommend putting Parmenion on your ignore list and forgetting about them.

08-14-2002, 09:01 PM	#85
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	The posts are like car wrecks...you can't help but look at 'em. Dave, your post and the other postings today reminded me of an Ice-T line: "They talk a mean fight, but fight like hoes." Hey...stop the presses! When did I solely become white? I better call my mom...

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