A Town Willing To Enforce The Law

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I never knew we even had a plan...


How do you plan to do this? Build a big fence?


So you will find a few illegals, what about the ones that don't do anything illegal once they are in the country?


How does this solve anything?


And if they lie?


Which is a problem for me. I would much rather spend the time and money into education, not kicking people out of our country.


So you are completely uncapable of seeing life in someone else's shoes. Do you think your life is more valuable then their's or do you not have a soul?

1. The current plan is to do nothing.
2. The border could easily be shut tight. Troops, fences, and electronic counter measures. Look around the world plenty of places have done it.
3. We will find most of them. Get them properly registered for a guest worker program and the can go back to doing what they were doing. They are doing something illegal by being here illegal, certainly that is not to hard to understand.
4. If you don't think it solves anything then you don't think there is a problem.
5. Time and TAXPAYERS money for thier education! Now you are on to something. How much do you think we spend for the education of all of these children of illegals? What impact do you think that illegal aliens have on the border cities of say El Paso, TX or Southern Calif or LA???
6. I am completely capable of understanding the plight of illegal aliens, I just don't think that my taxes should bear the burden of their illegal acts or pay for their health care and education.

[wolf]

I'm pretty sure we never actually raped Spain.

I love how people try to make is seem like this is about one nation.
Immigration law is just law, that is correct on both levels and has nothing to do with race.
Our immigration laws are the most liberal in the world, it is harder to become a Chinese, Indian, Mexican, or any other citizen, 90% of the time than a US citizen... but they don't like to talk about that.
Mexico treats their illegals terribly, then complains about us not just letting their citizens walk into the US with no immigration law to protect us. Poor babies... I don't think so.

[rigcranop]

I thought this was an interesting video on immigration. The speaker is Roy Beck.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...mbersusa&hl=en

His web site
http://www.numbersusa.com/index

It seems his facts stand up to scrutiny also. Click on "advisors" on the web site.

[wolf]

PM me your name if you ever run for public office in a jurisdiction in which I am registered to vote.

[tw]

Then we provide something that extremists never bother to provide - the numbers. America need 1.8 million immigrants to work the farms. America only issues 29,000 permits to do the work of 1.8 million. Therefore we must let the crops rot. Funny how once we include numbers, well TheMercenary advocated the destruction of American farming. Why? All laws must be right.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

TheMercenary advocated the destruction of American farming. Why? All laws must be right.

[piercehawkeye45]

I agree that we should make it harder to get into the country because we can't have people coming into this country undocumented but those aren't the people we should be focusing on. There are many illegal aliens that have lived honest lives despite the fact that they have come into the country illegally.

I believe that any illegals that we have in prison should be deported and then encourage the rest of the illegals to gain citizenship. Hunting the illegals down like dogs will result in great consequences and personally, I think they help us more than they hurt. You can show how much they hurt our economy but how many stats do we hear that show how much they help since they are working long hours (80+ a week) on very low paying salaries.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

You can show how much they hurt our economy but how many stats do we hear that show how much they help since they are working long hours (80+ a week) on very low paying salaries.

Ok, I don't have much time but let me give you a short answer. In the South we are experiencing a phenomenal building boom. The illegals dominate the labor force. Why? You pay them min wage, no taxes for the builders, no workman's comp is paid, no insurance. Guess who is loosing out on all those jobs. Legal citizens. The work force is dominated by these people. All the builders have to do is pay them cash, if they get hurt or injured on the job they don't have to pay them anything. The idividual is not going to complain, they are illegal and fear deportation. The builder gets a break on his costs of hiring workers and the legal laboror is locked out of the work force. Happens all the time. Same for yard workers, construction, and small businesses in food service. Guess who pays for the illegals health care. Guess who pays when they show up at the ER with pneumonia or a pregnant wife. Guess who pays when they fall off a roof. You, me, and the taxpayers.

[Ibby]

TheMercenary, show me a legal documented worker whos willing to work those hours for that pay and do as good a job.
Whats that? There arent enough?

Whatever happened to laissez-faire conservatism anyway?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Ibram

TheMercenary, show me a legal documented worker whos willing to work those hours for that pay and do as good a job.
Whats that? There arent enough?

Whatever happened to laissez-faire conservatism anyway?

You are ignoring the market forces. There are plenty of people in this area that would do the work. Think of it like this. If you have 25 people willing to do the job but only 10 jobs are available, who sets the price for their pay? The employer. And further costs are cut because of the fact that the employer does not have to pay all the other things that are required by law.

Now if you have 15 people for 10 jobs who benifits? The worker. Because the employer will need to compete with other employeer for that work force and the pay will go up. With the best workers getting the most money.

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I believe that any illegals that we have in prison should be deported

Please tell me you are only referring to the ones who are in prison simply for being here illegally (of which there are very few, we don't have the resources to just hold onto them like that.)

"Okay, Jose AggravatedRobbery, instead of serving your 25 year sentence, we're going to free you and--dun dun DUN--deport you! Now don't come back, and we really mean it this time. And for really reals don't come back and try to commit any crimes again."

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Please tell me you are only referring to the ones who are in prison simply for being here illegally (of which there are very few, we don't have the resources to just hold onto them like that.)

"Okay, Jose AggravatedRobbery, instead of serving your 25 year sentence, we're going to free you and--dun dun DUN--deport you! Now don't come back, and we really mean it this time. And for really reals don't come back and try to commit any crimes again."

No, I mean transfer the violent felons directly to their capitol cities. Put them on a plane fly them down and drop them off. If their cops want to meet and put them in their prisons, if not put them back on THEIR streets and off of our tax burden. Do you know what this country could do for it's people with 10 billion more dollars??? We could fix Social Security, we could assist the states with their programs for the under insured, the list is endless.

[tw]

How does everyone know TheMercenary is posting lies? He cannot even touch a damning number. His solution: ignore those realities.

Then we provide something that extremists never bother to provide - the numbers. America needs 1.8 million immigrants to work the farms. America only issues 29,000 permits to do the work of 1.8 million. Therefore we must let the crops rot. Funny how once we include numbers, well TheMercenary advocated the destruction of American farming.

Hold TheMercenary's feet to that fire and he will run. He has to. 1.8 million are necessary; cannot be found elsewhere - unless we take in the 2 million Iraqi refugees that America created. But again TheMercenary let slip his fears and hate of others. Those 2 million Iraqi refugees are also evil. We must keep them out of America – as we did with so many Vietnamese boat people.

Crops rotting because TheMercenary advocates wacko extremists laws rather then fix a problem. 29,000 permits when 1.8 million are needed means one who fears anyone of a different color, race, or religion must protect those wacko extremist restrictions.

Why do we have an immigration problem? Notice how TheMercenary will do anything to avoid reality - America desperately needs those 1.8 million workers. People who pay taxes (withheld in their pay) and never get a refund because they are immigrants - therefore enrich governments. Just another fact that TheMercenary forgets to mention. People who mostly avoid all social services for fear of being caught. Just another reason to maintain wacko extremist restrictions; to pervert the rights of 1.8 million necessary workers. Notice how he also forgets to mention that illegal immigrant workers mean even more government funds - not less.

[xoxoxoBruce]

How does that explain the 16 million already here, tw? Your numbers say we can send 14 million home and you still won't have to pay more for your precious veggies ...... or is it fruits and nuts?:p

I just noticed the "mostly avoid social services", talk about blatent lies, as the NUMBERS presented in this thread have already proven.