Guns will protect you from tsunamis. - Page 6

Aliantha · 12-31-2006, 11:22 PM

There are only a couple of people here who live in fantasy land, and unfortunately you are one of them Maggie. I pity you.

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-31-2006, 11:27 PM

Aliantha, is it somehow too much for you to allow, or admit of, armed defense of oneself? Our Republic conceives this as deriving from our condition as human beings, quite independent of any governmental provision. It's a human right, Aliantha, and against this you should not be setting your face.

Aliantha · 12-31-2006, 11:29 PM

Jesus fucking christ UG. Owning a gun is not a human rights issue. Get off the grass for a minute and watch where you're walking. You're very quickly losing your credibility.

piercehawkeye45 · 01-01-2007, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Jesus fucking christ UG. Owning a gun is not a human rights issue. Get off the grass for a minute and watch where you're walking. You're very quickly losing your credibility.

The ability to defend oneself is a human rights issue, attacking someone else isn't. It's all how you look at the issue.

MaggieL · 01-01-2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Owning a gun is not a human rights issue.

Evidently, not everyone agrees with that stance. http://www.a-human-right.com/

Urbane Guerrilla · 01-01-2007, 02:15 AM

Aliantha, that is the thinking that facilitates the greatest violation of human rights perpetratable. It is absolutely, unquestionably a matter of human rights not to endure genocide, and therefore, to have the only article known to have even a hope of preventing it. You're blind, Ali, and that saddens me. Your disbelief, your failure to understand, does not help you.

Hippikos · 01-01-2007, 03:16 PM

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Actually, I do have a (semi-auto) AK, also. And a 9mm. They're just not in that photo. Fortunately I don't have to "justify" them to the likes of you...or I'd be just as disarmed as you are, and reduced to spouting "sour grapes."

Never asked you to justify your fetish for guns. "The likes of me"... you´re always on the defense...

Looking at your arsenal one can hardy assume it´s for self defense only, so save me that hipocracy the next time.

Is it only me noticing the pro gunners are noticeable more aggressive in this discussion? Coincidence... don´t think so.

01-01-2007, 04:44 PM

Lots of tail-posting going on here... as I stated before my side-arm was used to protect me from animals as I grew-up. Nothing to do with human animals and it is my right to have it for that protection as well as protection against humans. On a ranch we use guns as tools like any other, it is no different than an ax or chainsaw. Sidearms are required because they need to be small and easy to carry. I have had to shoot rattlesnakes while crawling under citrus trees more than once and shot a charging wild boar with my side-arm once. People who rant about how "people don't need handguns" know nothing of what they speak.
& no, it is not for gun owners to prove that they need their guns, rights are not for explaining need, justification or desire... they just are.
I keep saying it, freedom means being exposed to other's freedoms... deal. If you don't like them, go where it is not free.
Takes a special, tough, tolerant, person to be free.

Aliantha · 01-01-2007, 06:26 PM

UG...I am far from blind. I see things (including you) very clearly.

rkz...I don't think you need to be special to be free.
I don't think you need to be tough to be free.
I don't think you need to be tolerant to be free.

Being free is a basic human right. It just is.

MaggieL · 01-02-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

UG...I am far from blind. I see things (including you) very clearly.

I don't think you need to be tough to be free.

Again, others disagree.

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Originally Posted by Thomas Paine

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it...What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.

Aliantha · 01-02-2007, 06:25 PM

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Again, others disagree.

So what about those people in society who aren't strong naturally, such as the old and infirm, the handicapped or simply those who are frail for any other reason? Do they not deserve freedom also? Doesn't society owe them the same priviledges as other more able bodied citizens?

Again, I suggest that one should not have to be strong to be free.

MaggieL · 01-03-2007, 02:01 PM

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Again, I suggest that one should not have to be strong to be free.

No, that's the first time you suggested that. Previously you said:

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

I don't think you need to be tough to be free.

Not at all the same thing.

Aliantha · 01-03-2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

No, that's the first time you suggested that. Previously you said:

Not at all the same thing.

No, it's not the first time I've suggested it. Go back and have another look.

MaggieL · 01-03-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

So what about those people in society who aren't strong naturally, such as the old and infirm, the handicapped or simply those who are frail for any other reason?

Sounds like a compelling argument for armed citizens. By disarming the old, the infirm, the handicapped and the frail, you place them at the mercy of the physically strong.

01-01-2007, 06:37 PM

Then stop complaining about other's freedoms.

12-31-2006, 11:22 PM	#1
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	There are only a couple of people here who live in fantasy land, and unfortunately you are one of them Maggie. I pity you. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-31-2006, 11:27 PM	#2
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Aliantha, is it somehow too much for you to allow, or admit of, armed defense of oneself? Our Republic conceives this as deriving from our condition as human beings, quite independent of any governmental provision. It's a human right, Aliantha, and against this you should not be setting your face. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

12-31-2006, 11:29 PM	#3
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Jesus fucking christ UG. Owning a gun is not a human rights issue. Get off the grass for a minute and watch where you're walking. You're very quickly losing your credibility. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-01-2007, 02:15 AM	#6
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Aliantha, that is the thinking that facilitates the greatest violation of human rights perpetratable. It is absolutely, unquestionably a matter of human rights not to endure genocide, and therefore, to have the only article known to have even a hope of preventing it. You're blind, Ali, and that saddens me. Your disbelief, your failure to understand, does not help you. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

01-01-2007, 06:26 PM	#9
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	UG...I am far from blind. I see things (including you) very clearly. rkz...I don't think you need to be special to be free. I don't think you need to be tough to be free. I don't think you need to be tolerant to be free. Being free is a basic human right. It just is. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-01-2007, 04:44 PM	#8
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Lots of tail-posting going on here... as I stated before my side-arm was used to protect me from animals as I grew-up. Nothing to do with human animals and it is my right to have it for that protection as well as protection against humans. On a ranch we use guns as tools like any other, it is no different than an ax or chainsaw. Sidearms are required because they need to be small and easy to carry. I have had to shoot rattlesnakes while crawling under citrus trees more than once and shot a charging wild boar with my side-arm once. People who rant about how "people don't need handguns" know nothing of what they speak. & no, it is not for gun owners to prove that they need their guns, rights are not for explaining need, justification or desire... they just are. I keep saying it, freedom means being exposed to other's freedoms... deal. If you don't like them, go where it is not free. Takes a special, tough, tolerant, person to be free.

01-01-2007, 06:37 PM	#15
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Then stop complaining about other's freedoms.

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