Libertarian land ownership theory - Page 6

Flint · 08-09-2006, 02:31 PM

I disagree. You can make more money if you don't care about hurting people. Money talks.

Radar · 08-09-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I disagree. You can make more money if you don't care about hurting people. Money talks.

Consumers care, and so do investors.

Radar · 08-09-2006, 02:49 PM

There are some things that would not be private. Everything specifically mentioned in the U.S. Constitution is a valid part of government and can be paid for without a single penny of income taxes using the tariffs and excise taxes we already collect. We'd just have to get rid of every part of government NOT mentioned in the Constitution.

Does it surprise you to know we had schools, courts, roads, and a military before income taxes were collected? In fact with the exception of roads, all of these were better before income taxes were collected than they are now.

Roads are mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, so are a judicial system, legislature, post office, etc. These are legitimate functions of government.

Schools on the other hand are far too important to put in the hands of government and have steadily gotten worse and worse since Reagan created the department of education.

Eminent domain is not legitimate, and libertarians would do away with it entirely through a Constitutional amendment. Without eminent domain, we'd still have roads, airports, railways, etc. The only difference is people could ask a lot more for their land and most likely would. Given the expense of building these things, the costs wouldn't go up dramatically based on this.

Flint · 08-09-2006, 03:09 PM

Consumers are notorious for preferring cheaper products.

Undertoad · 08-09-2006, 03:13 PM

Can I drive drunk as long as I get the job done?

Radar · 08-09-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Can I drive drunk as long as I get the job done?

Driving drunk falls under the catagory of endangering non-consenting others and their property. This is an actual crime, so no.

Radar · 08-09-2006, 03:18 PM

If consumers were aware that a baby seat was killing babies, do you think they'd buy it just because it was on sale? Do you think people put a $10 savings above the safety of their children? I don't.

Nike is one of the most socially responsible companies on earth. They give jobs to people in other countries that would die of starvation without their help, yet there are some foolish people who accuse them of exploitation or other such nonsense.

If Wal-Mart found out they were selling fur lined clothing that was the fur of dogs, they would immediately stop selling that product even if there were no complaints logged from consumers yet. They would do this because they know what will happen when consumers find out. They know it will cost them money and consumers will protest and will boycott them.

There is no long term profit in doing business unethically.

Consumers do want low prices, but not if they know people are being

Flint · 08-09-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

There is no long term profit in doing business unethically.

I think you're in fairy-tale land on that one.

Sorry, I can't think of a better way to say that.

Kitsune · 08-09-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

Nike is one of the most socially responsible companies on earth. They give jobs to people in other countries that would die of starvation without their help, yet there are some foolish people who accuse them of exploitation or other such nonsense.

Oh? Care to cite which countries?

Radar · 08-09-2006, 06:39 PM

Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Philippines, Korea, etc.

Ibby · 08-09-2006, 08:15 PM

Taiwan? I can definitely say that Taiwanese wouldnt be starving without Nike. Korea likewise.

Radar · 08-09-2006, 10:58 PM

The unskilled workers who take jobs at Nike might, but I'll give you those two.

Aliantha · 08-10-2006, 05:40 AM

Hair splitting is alive and well in the cellar I see...

Flint · 08-10-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar

There is no long term profit in doing business unethically.

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Originally Posted by Occam's Razor

When your belief system clashes with reality, guess which one is wrong?

Radar · 08-10-2006, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

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Originally Posted by Radar

There is no long term profit in doing business unethically.

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Originally Posted by Occam's Razor

When your belief system clashes with reality, guess which one is wrong?

I guess it's a good thing my belief system doesn't clash with reality in the slightest. I didn't give you my opinion about there being no long term profit in doing business unethically, I stated a fact.

08-09-2006, 02:31 PM	#1
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I disagree. You can make more money if you don't care about hurting people. Money talks. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

08-09-2006, 02:49 PM	#3
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	There are some things that would not be private. Everything specifically mentioned in the U.S. Constitution is a valid part of government and can be paid for without a single penny of income taxes using the tariffs and excise taxes we already collect. We'd just have to get rid of every part of government NOT mentioned in the Constitution. Does it surprise you to know we had schools, courts, roads, and a military before income taxes were collected? In fact with the exception of roads, all of these were better before income taxes were collected than they are now. Roads are mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, so are a judicial system, legislature, post office, etc. These are legitimate functions of government. Schools on the other hand are far too important to put in the hands of government and have steadily gotten worse and worse since Reagan created the department of education. Eminent domain is not legitimate, and libertarians would do away with it entirely through a Constitutional amendment. Without eminent domain, we'd still have roads, airports, railways, etc. The only difference is people could ask a lot more for their land and most likely would. Given the expense of building these things, the costs wouldn't go up dramatically based on this. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

08-09-2006, 03:09 PM	#4
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Consumers are notorious for preferring cheaper products. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

08-09-2006, 03:18 PM	#7
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	If consumers were aware that a baby seat was killing babies, do you think they'd buy it just because it was on sale? Do you think people put a $10 savings above the safety of their children? I don't. Nike is one of the most socially responsible companies on earth. They give jobs to people in other countries that would die of starvation without their help, yet there are some foolish people who accuse them of exploitation or other such nonsense. If Wal-Mart found out they were selling fur lined clothing that was the fur of dogs, they would immediately stop selling that product even if there were no complaints logged from consumers yet. They would do this because they know what will happen when consumers find out. They know it will cost them money and consumers will protest and will boycott them. There is no long term profit in doing business unethically. Consumers do want low prices, but not if they know people are being __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

08-09-2006, 06:39 PM	#10
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Philippines, Korea, etc. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

08-09-2006, 03:13 PM	#5
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Can I drive drunk as long as I get the job done?

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Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Taiwan? I can definitely say that Taiwanese wouldnt be starving without Nike. Korea likewise. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

08-09-2006, 10:58 PM	#12
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	The unskilled workers who take jobs at Nike might, but I'll give you those two. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

08-10-2006, 05:40 AM	#13
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