Professor Gates, Harvard's Pride - Page 6

Elspode · 07-30-2009, 11:24 PM

My kids have all been in HS within the last ten years, and from my observations of their curriculum, the situation is now, if anything, reversed. Overcompensation, because Caucasians are bad, m'kay?

xoxoxoBruce · 07-31-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Elspode

The time has past for standing upon wrongs which cannot be undone, but which have been put as right as they can be at this point in time. Time to stop pointing fingers and to roll up the sleeves and get on with the hard work of getting on.

Not for The professor, he's one of the leading proponents of reparations.

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I learned about John Brown, Sojourner Truth, and W. E. B. DuBois on my own dime.

John Brown? The John Brown, white abolitionist, I learned about in school?
They didn't have time to teach us about every person that did exceptionally good, or bad, things. Only the ones that had a major impact on the course of the nations history.
Like the Civil War, it would take a whole school year to cover it, so only major turning points, not every campaign, were covered.

TheMercenary · 07-31-2009, 08:57 AM

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why do I now pay for people who won't take responsibility for their own mistakes?

You may end up becoming a little more conservative after this experience. Just think, a whole life time of similar experiences and you change in the end.

TheMercenary · 07-31-2009, 08:58 AM

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Flint hits the nail squarely on the head. White folks are *not* allowed to comment on race. Only people who are *not* white are so allowed, and they can bash away with all the forces of righteousness, without making the qualification that "assholes are assholes, not just white people", and it is not only acceptable, it is *encouraged*.

So I ask us all...which race is more racist? And how are we to have a dialogue towards easing tensions, righting wrongs and coming together if we cannot point out, honestly and openly, our cultural foibles that may work against us?

There are tests of this. Try throwing a White Heritage Festival and see how far you get. Then call for a Caucasian History Month in all schools. Have a White Film Festival, an Association for the Advancement of Caucasian People or a WET (White Entertainment Television - lots of reruns of Leave it to Beaver, I presume). You, the hypothetic organizer, would instantly become the most racist, bigoted person on the planet. Yet each and every one of the proposed entities I speculate above has it's African American counterpart. So how come it isn't racist in that context?

Racist is racist. Like being an asshole, it is not the province of a single color, religion or ethnicity. Racism is a two way street, period. The time has past for standing upon wrongs which cannot be undone, but which have been put as right as they can be at this point in time. Time to stop pointing fingers and to roll up the sleeves and get on with the hard work of getting on.

Shawnee123 · 07-31-2009, 09:06 AM

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You may end up becoming a little more conservative after this experience. Just think, a whole life time of similar experiences and you change in the end.

If we define conservative as "has lost faith in humankind and has given up on believing that hard work is what gets you ahead rather than lying cheating and stealing and playing victim" then yes, I suppose you're right.

TheMercenary · 07-31-2009, 09:19 AM

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If we define conservative as "has lost faith in humankind and has given up on believing that hard work is what gets you ahead rather than lying cheating and stealing and playing victim" then yes, I suppose you're right.

That's it!!!!

Shawnee123 · 07-31-2009, 09:29 AM

OH NOES...I has converzionz.

TheMercenary · 07-31-2009, 09:31 AM

I have always defined being conservative much differently than the norm.

TheMercenary · 07-31-2009, 10:00 AM

This was pretty good.

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If this sounds like an improbable Hollywood drama sketch, it isn't nearly as far-fetched as the notion that this "beer summit" as it's been called will be a "teachable moment," as President Obama has opined, in the nation's long struggle with race. It may smooth over the problems these two men have with each other, but it will do nothing to change the different vantage points from which they and others of their respective races view the world. It is these differing worldviews that have created the gulf between blacks and whites in America, a gulf unique to the dynamic between these two races.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/..._away_rac.html

An interesting perspective. I am not really sure that this "beer summit" did much to advance the rift between majority-"minorities" and the police.

glatt · 07-31-2009, 10:04 AM

And is it just me, or did all the pictures of that summit make it look like the cop was the only one to take a swig of his beer. It's beer, people. You drink it.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-31-2009, 10:29 AM

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An interesting perspective. I am not really sure that this "beer summit" did much to advance the rift between majority-"minorities" and the police.

I agree, Crowley won't understand Gates looking for a hidden agenda in every white persons actions, and Gates won't understand how Crowley must never let his guard down when he's working.

It did, however, give the comedians a chance to jump in with the beer summit jokes. That usually signals, for the public watching this play out in the press, the end of escalation.

jinx · 07-31-2009, 01:16 PM

Not to jump on the Merc wagon here, but what was the point? Obama invited them to a sit down so they could agree to disagree? Hell of a statesman... not.

Flint · 07-31-2009, 01:31 PM

http://xkcd.com/617/

Shawnee123 · 07-31-2009, 01:37 PM

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http://xkcd.com/617/

woooooooooooo!

TheMercenary · 07-31-2009, 03:25 PM

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Not to jump on the Merc wagon here..

Yea, heaven forbid.

07-30-2009, 11:24 PM	#76
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	My kids have all been in HS within the last ten years, and from my observations of their curriculum, the situation is now, if anything, reversed. Overcompensation, because Caucasians are bad, m'kay? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

07-31-2009, 09:29 AM	#82
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	OH NOES...I has converzionz. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	I have always defined being conservative much differently than the norm. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

07-31-2009, 01:16 PM	#87
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Not to jump on the Merc wagon here, but what was the point? Obama invited them to a sit down so they could agree to disagree? Hell of a statesman... not. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

07-31-2009, 01:31 PM	#88
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	http://xkcd.com/617/ __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	And is it just me, or did all the pictures of that summit make it look like the cop was the only one to take a swig of his beer. It's beer, people. You drink it.

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