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View Poll Results: Do you support saving the US auto companies with tax payer money? | |||
I support saving any one or all of them. | 1 | 3.13% | |
I support assisting them for a limited time with a limited amount. | 11 | 34.38% | |
I don't support saving them. | 19 | 59.38% | |
I have another plan to save them from certain death (explain below) | 1 | 3.13% | |
Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll |
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11-18-2008, 11:06 AM | #76 |
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Sell them to whom?
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11-18-2008, 11:17 AM | #77 |
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Do they deliver? I could use a shed. I'd pay $100 for a large RV. I'm sure my neighbors would be thrilled if I parked one in my back yard.
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11-18-2008, 11:19 AM | #78 | |
Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya?
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Haa...true! The smartass side of me doesn't always think things through. So we have to change our entire culture that you don't have to have the biggest bike on the block, the nicest house in the hood, and the biggest camper in the camp. Not gonna happen. The smartass side of me wants to say: sorry dumbass, you should have saved a dime or two from your ridiculous wages, and not spend it all on pretending you're somebody.
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11-18-2008, 11:26 AM | #79 |
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The Ant and the Grasshopper
IN a field one summer’s day a Grasshopper was hopping about, chirping and singing to its heart’s content. An Ant passed by, bearing along with great toil an ear of corn he was taking to the nest. “Why not come and chat with me,” said the Grasshopper, “instead of toiling and moiling in that way?" “I am helping to lay up food for the winter,” said the Ant, “and recommend you to do the same.” “Why bother about winter?” said the Grasshopper; “we have got plenty of food at present.” But the Ant went on its way and continued its toil. When the winter came the Grasshopper had no food, and found itself dying of hunger, while it saw the ants distributing every day corn and grain from the stores they had collected in the summer. Then the Grasshopper knew: “IT IS BEST TO PREPARE FOR THE DAYS OF NECESSITY.” The Grasshopper went back to his RV and tried to hang himself, but the ceiling wasn't high enough. |
11-18-2008, 11:30 AM | #80 |
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Of course, the modern version of the Ant and the Grasshopper has the Ant putting all his food in the 401K storage room only to have it be eaten by hungry mole digging through.
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11-18-2008, 12:01 PM | #81 |
To shreds, you say?
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11-18-2008, 03:26 PM | #82 | |
UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION
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11-18-2008, 03:29 PM | #83 | |
Read? I only know how to write.
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Stated was a fact you should know - Chapter 7 verse Chapter 11. Liars tell us that if GM goes down, that all jobs are lost. Wrong. Wrong are repeatedly demonstrated in history. Meanwhile, this will do nothing to affect Honda’s part prices. In fact, using basic economics, Honda’s prices will go down. No, prices won’t because of other facts based in a concept called quality – beyond this discussion. GM has no intention of fixing their problem because of a big carrot - $billions of free money. GM will not fix anything until bankruptcy theats force GM to fix their only problem - Rick Wagoner. The longer Rick Wagoner is there, then Chapter 7 becomes more likely. We are all expected to learn from history. Next post will provide but another historical example that everyone should know. Again, company saved once the only problem was removed. |
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11-18-2008, 03:30 PM | #84 | |
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Why does IBM still exist? John Akers, an MBA, was running IBM into the ground while claiming to be fixing IBM. In 1992, Bill Gates finally understood why he had so much trouble with IBM. 1990s IBM desks had IBM-XT PCs with CGA monitors. No software sold in malls could run on computers in IBM Corporate. John Akers did not even know how to use a computer except for e-mail and stock quotes. He also promoted a myth called computer literacy. Akers was the classic bean counter who stifled innovation (especially in mainframes) and therefore destroyed 100,000 jobs.
How did IBM save itself? From Wikipedia, Louis Gerstner Quote:
What is always needed to save a company? 85% of all problems are directly traceable to ... but then how many finally appreciate what everyone should have known long ago. John Akers became IBM's president in 1983. Therefore ten years of stifled innovation terminated over 100,000 jobs. How does GM fix itself? Their Akers (Wagoner) must be replaced by a Gerstner. However some are so misinformed as to blame employees or unions rather than stifled innovation. John Akers and Rick Wagoner are classic bean counters with no grasp of the product and a denial that they are the problem. Deutsche Bank has a target price for GM stock at zero dollars. |
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11-18-2008, 03:39 PM | #85 | |
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Productive company - your boss works for you. Communism - you work for your boss. GM is very communist. Obviously, employees will have a bad attitude. The CEO makes that obvious. Yes, one day there were many idle employees. A 747 carrying essential parts crashed in Malaysia. Slowly employees had no more work. Therefore those employees are lazy? Hardly. What happens in a Honda plant if the door manufacturer delivers one defective door? Everyone in Honda stops working. Are those Honda employees lazy? Nonsense. Someone else screwed up. So very responsible employees are doing what they can do - maybe play cards. If GM employees don't have work, the layers of management have screwed Americans again. 85% of all problems are ... |
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11-18-2008, 03:47 PM | #86 | |
I hear them call the tide
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who knows? you repeat and contradict yourself so often they haven't yet invented terms for numbers that high
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I realize I have the answer to pretty much everything, but I think it's going a little far to say that me admitting that I don't know what should happen is a myth.... thank you for your considered response, Governor Palin.
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11-18-2008, 03:56 PM | #87 |
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OOOOOOOOOOHH, DAAAAAAA-YUMMMMM. Sarah Baracuda is gonna be pissed at that dis.
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11-18-2008, 03:59 PM | #88 | |
I hear them call the tide
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(points for that one, Brits and Britophiles....)
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11-18-2008, 04:07 PM | #89 | |
Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya?
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But you're right, I blame management. My post did not NOT blame management. You silly wabbit.
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11-18-2008, 04:13 PM | #90 |
Are you knock-kneed?
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Shawnee...down time happens a lot because they dont have parts. What are they going to do while they are waiting? Does Honda insist that employees clock out?
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