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Old 04-20-2010, 01:55 PM   #1
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Old 04-20-2010, 02:32 PM   #2
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Well, if anyone can influence the country, it's the military and the fear they inject into people whenever anything is a question of "national security."
Hell yeah. If there's one thing the military knows how to do, it's get things done. Maybe not in the most efficient or elegant way, but it gets done. If it takes the military to teach parents that french fries are not a goddamn vegetable, then so be it.
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Old 04-20-2010, 02:41 PM   #3
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Old 04-20-2010, 04:36 PM   #4
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Old 04-20-2010, 06:01 PM   #5
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Old 04-20-2010, 06:20 PM   #6
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Old 04-20-2010, 07:04 PM   #7
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SO basically

Welfare State = Good

Personal Responsiblity = Bad.

Correct?
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Old 04-20-2010, 07:13 PM   #8
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No. That's not what I believe in.

Welfare state = necessary
Personal responsibility = also necessary.

I don't see thse as mutually exclusive.

I have a personal responsibility and I also share in a societal responsibility.
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Old 04-20-2010, 07:26 PM   #9
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I don't want you to think this a total dig on you, more so what the attitude is (not that I need to tell you this). But somewhere there is a grey area. For some that is the width of a street, for others the width of the Channel. In that area lays both personal responsibility and Government responsibility. IMHO, in this country we have fostered and developed generations of people dependent on public assistance. We are seeing a resurgence with the latest roles of unemployment. People have just given up. Obama will save them. It is a false notion.
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Old 04-21-2010, 12:51 AM   #10
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IMHO, in this country we have fostered and developed generations of people dependent on public assistance. We are seeing a resurgence with the latest roles of unemployment. People have just given up. Obama will save them. It is a false notion.
One has nothing to do with the other. The welfare crowd isn't worried about becoming unemployed, they already are. The millions of people who've been throw out of work are depending on unemployment insurance, as we always have. That doesn't mean they are not looking for work. Yes, they are looking to our President, because they know they probably won't find work until the economy picks up. That's what they hear from employers and the media, and our President seems to be the only one that's trying to do anything about it.
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Old 04-21-2010, 10:10 AM   #11
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One has nothing to do with the other. The welfare crowd isn't worried about becoming unemployed, they already are. The millions of people who've been throw out of work are depending on unemployment insurance, as we always have. That doesn't mean they are not looking for work. Yes, they are looking to our President, because they know they probably won't find work until the economy picks up. That's what they hear from employers and the media, and our President seems to be the only one that's trying to do anything about it.
Bravo.

Yeah, our societal responsibility (as Dana so eloquently put it) is nothing new. It's not as if Obama came into office and everyone voluntarily quit working and went on unemployment, amid shouts of "YAY, we can loll about now! Woo hooo! I LOVES some struggles."
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Old 04-20-2010, 07:30 PM   #12
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i agree, there is definately a grey area. There's a point at which assistance ceases to be paliative and begins to form the central foundation of someone's life. At that point it is clear something has gone badly wrong.

Where i suspect we differ is in our response to that grey area.
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Old 04-20-2010, 07:44 PM   #13
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fair enough. Ignore anything I say at the moment. I'm really not myself.



i just had a stand up row with someone on the BF forum about girls and gaming. *shrugs* I am a heartbeat away from rage or tears at any given moment. I tried to explain that last night, but I probably didn;t do it very well :P
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Old 04-20-2010, 07:47 PM   #14
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Does BF = Breast Feeding? Because that would explain everything...
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:36 PM   #15
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Does BF = Breast Feeding? Because that would explain everything...
The nursing mom defense. I'm still hearing it nearly two years after weaning...
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