Anwar al-Awlaki & Samir Khan - Page 5

ZenGum · 10-13-2011, 11:01 PM

I'm not a citizen either.

I don't think that alone should remove the requirement for due process.

If your prez thinks I'm a terrorist, there has to be some kind of trial, even in my absence, where an attorney or someone can argue my case on my behalf.

TheMercenary · 10-14-2011, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

smh

All was trying to say is that we have to have action! The system is completely broken and we are only driving faster toward the cliff. {even though I agree with some of it}... So far we have nothing.

classicman · 10-14-2011, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Anwar al-Awlaki was not a citizen. He had publicly stated his intention to relinquish his citizenship, and entered "foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States".
His movements leave no doubt in my mind he knew full well we would take him out at the first opportunity. Probably because he lived in the real world, unsullied with high faulting delusions.

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Section 349(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(3)] which provides for loss of U.S. nationality if an American voluntarily and with the intention of relinquishing U.S. citizenship enters or serves in foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States or serves in the armed forces of any foreign country as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer.

Perhaps the issue is that it's not really a foreign country... ?

xoxoxoBruce · 10-15-2011, 09:27 AM

It says foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States, or armed forces of any foreign country...

Lamplighter · 10-15-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Anwar al-Awlaki was not a citizen. He had publicly stated his intention to relinquish his citizenship,
and entered "foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States".
His movements leave no doubt in my mind he knew full well we would take him out
at the first opportunity.
Probably because he lived in the real world, unsullied with high faulting delusions.

Maybe he did realize he was at risk, but nevertheless I've not seen anything
to show that he met the requirements of renouncing US citizenship.

Sullied or not, stating an "intention to relinquish" is like pledging in a fund-raiser,
it only matters when the check is cashed.

classicman · 10-15-2011, 10:36 AM

I think Bruce is saying that he "cashed the check" when he joined "foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States"

Lamplighter · 10-15-2011, 10:41 AM

That's why the US has Courts...
Killing first and asking questions afterward has serious consequences.

TheMercenary · 10-15-2011, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Maybe he did realize he was at risk...

Oh Good GOD! you have always seemed to me to be more intelligent than this statement makes you sound.

classicman · 10-16-2011, 12:23 AM

They apparently got his son today in another strike ...

Lamplighter · 10-16-2011, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

They apparently got his son today in another strike ...

Maybe I saw the article you're referring to here.
I had to read it several times to sort out the business about the "son".

But I came to the conclusion that part was just reporting the Sept events,
and the "son" was Anwar al-Awlaki and it was his death they were describing.

There was also a description of drone attacks on the building where the two men,
Awlaki and Khan had been for a meeting, and the the drone attack on two cars.

But I have to say I did have trouble understanding the wording in this article.

classicman · 10-16-2011, 11:37 AM

no no no...

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SANAA, Yemen (AP) – The United States has raised the tempo in its war against al-Qaeda in Yemen, killing nine of the terror group's militants in the second, high-profile airstrike in as many weeks. The dead in the late Friday night strike included the son of Anwar al-Awlaki, the prominent American-Yemeni militant killed in a Sept. 30 strike.

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Tribal elders in the area where Friday's strikes took place said the dead included Abdul-Rahman al-Awlaki, the 21-year-old son of Anwar al-Awlaki, a Muslim preacher and savvy Internet operator who became a powerful al-Qaeda recruiting tool in the West and who was on a U.S. capture-or-kill list. The elder al-Awlaki and another propagandist, Pakistani-American Samir Khan, were killed in the Sept. 30 strike.

Pretty good article here

Lamplighter · 10-16-2011, 11:58 AM

OK, you got it right...

ETA: I read the article in your link.
It is much more explicit and clear.
Good choice...

Isn't that now 3 American citizens killed by US drone attacks.

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Tribal elders in the area where Friday's strikes took place said the dead included
Abdul-Rahman al-Awlaki, the 21-year-old son of Anwar al-Awlaki,
a Muslim preacher and savvy Internet operator who became a powerful al-Qaeda
recruiting tool in the West and who was on a U.S. capture-or-kill list.
The elder al-Awlaki and anotherpropagandist, Pakistani-American Samir Khan,
were killed in the Sept. 30 strike.

classicman · 10-16-2011, 12:29 PM

Yes, and the media would rather focus on Cain "the pain" instead of this.
interesting?

TheMercenary · 10-19-2011, 03:04 PM

Good rid-en's to all of them.

glatt · 10-21-2011, 11:53 AM

I had no problem with killing this guy, or the 21 year old son following in his footsteps.

But now I'm seeing that the 21 year old son was actually only 16 years old.

WTF? We're now killing American citizen children? Sure, odds are that this kid would grow up to be a terrorist since we killed his dad. Just ask Inigo Montoya about that.

But we killed the evil dad, and then two weeks later remotely killed the child and a bunch of others enjoying a BBQ. What was this kid's crime? Did he renounce his citizenship too? I have a hard time believing he had committed the same crimes as his father.

Edit: Alright. I see that Ibrahim al-Banna was also killed in that strike on the son, and he was considered by the Defense Ministry in Yemen to be one of the “most dangerous operatives” in al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Maybe the boy was collateral damage.

10-13-2011, 11:01 PM	#61
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	I'm not a citizen either. I don't think that alone should remove the requirement for due process. If your prez thinks I'm a terrorist, there has to be some kind of trial, even in my absence, where an attorney or someone can argue my case on my behalf. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

10-15-2011, 09:27 AM	#64
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It says foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States, or armed forces of any foreign country... __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-15-2011, 10:36 AM	#66
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I think Bruce is saying that he "cashed the check" when he joined "foreign armed forces engaged in hostilities against the United States" __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-16-2011, 12:23 AM	#69
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	They apparently got his son today in another strike ... __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-16-2011, 12:29 PM	#73
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Yes, and the media would rather focus on Cain "the pain" instead of this. interesting? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-15-2011, 10:41 AM	#67
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	That's why the US has Courts... Killing first and asking questions afterward has serious consequences.

10-19-2011, 03:04 PM	#74
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Good rid-en's to all of them. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

10-21-2011, 11:53 AM	#75
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I had no problem with killing this guy, or the 21 year old son following in his footsteps. But now I'm seeing that the 21 year old son was actually only 16 years old. WTF? We're now killing American citizen children? Sure, odds are that this kid would grow up to be a terrorist since we killed his dad. Just ask Inigo Montoya about that. But we killed the evil dad, and then two weeks later remotely killed the child and a bunch of others enjoying a BBQ. What was this kid's crime? Did he renounce his citizenship too? I have a hard time believing he had committed the same crimes as his father. Edit: Alright. I see that Ibrahim al-Banna was also killed in that strike on the son, and he was considered by the Defense Ministry in Yemen to be one of the “most dangerous operatives” in al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Maybe the boy was collateral damage. Last edited by glatt; 10-21-2011 at 12:07 PM.

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