Who does homosexuality hurt? - Page 5

classicman · 12-03-2008, 08:32 PM

nope - please do....

Elspode · 12-03-2008, 08:42 PM

Any group of people should be able to enter into a legal contract without exception regardless of sexual orientation.

Thanks for pointing that out, Jinx.

Aliantha · 12-03-2008, 08:45 PM

Obviously I can't speak for anyone else, but the fact that I'm 'legally' married doesn't mean anywhere near as much to me as the fact that I feel spiritually bound to my husband. In fact, it doesn't really mean anything to me what the law thinks. This is my issue with the whole legal contract argument. There's more involved in getting married than a simple signing of names. If that's all it was, then there'd be no talking or exchanging of vows. People would just send away for the forms, sign them and then send them back.

ZenGum · 12-03-2008, 08:47 PM

Still, if we are thinking of civil unions, they come with various pension/insurance benefits. Polygamous unions could become tricky in that respect.
Suppose eight people get "married". Do they all get carer's leave when one is sick? How many mother-in-law's funerals can they attend? How would this affect welfare and pensions?
It would even be possible, by adding new spouses as old ones die, to keep a poly-marriage going indefinitely.
Not that these things should preclude poly-marriage, but I think they're interesting questions.

Pie · 12-03-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

It would even be possible, by adding new spouses as old ones die, to keep a poly-marriage going indefinitely.

Read any RAH recently?

ZenGum · 12-03-2008, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie

Read any RAH recently?

err, who? (I guess that means "no".)

dar512 · 12-03-2008, 10:18 PM

Robert Anson Heinlein - One of the preeminent science fiction authors of the golden era.

In particular, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress discusses line-marriage.

Elspode · 12-04-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie

Read any RAH recently?

Stranger in a Strange Land, the original poly primer.

Aliantha · 12-03-2008, 08:49 PM

I can't imagine having another wife in this house, but an extra husband would come in handy sometimes.

TheMercenary · 12-03-2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by morethanpretty

Please explain your answer.

I can only come up with one group of people that homosexuality can hurt, family. There is a pervasive attitude in our Me Generation that anyone can do anything and it has little to no consequence, as long as it makes you happy. I think if parents and family are not comfortable with choices you make as teens and young adults and you ignore other peoples feelings who support you, then you should really not be surprised when you loose that support, emotional, financial, educational, etc. So yea, you can hurt those around you, even if you don't mean to do it.

morethanpretty · 12-04-2008, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I can only come up with one group of people that homosexuality can hurt, family. There is a pervasive attitude in our Me Generation that anyone can do anything and it has little to no consequence, as long as it makes you happy. I think if parents and family are not comfortable with choices you make as teens and young adults and you ignore other peoples feelings who support you, then you should really not be surprised when you loose that support, emotional, financial, educational, etc. So yea, you can hurt those around you, even if you don't mean to do it.

Family gets hurt by other family members' actions all the time that have nothing to do with their sexual orientation. We can't do everything that "family" wants us to do and be personally happy. At least that is what I've found. I don't ignore their feelings, but yes mine are more important. I don't treat them like bad people or stupid (even when I think they are), I just say "Look, this makes me happy, you love me, then you should just be happy that I'm responsible, healthy and happy." In my honest opinion if your family tells you want religion, sexual orientation, career ect you should have, and pull support from you without meeting those goals they've set...then they don't have any real love for you. You love someone you want them to be happy and successful, thats it. They shouldn't define what makes you happy, just be happy for you when you find your own definition.

TheMercenary · 12-04-2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by morethanpretty

Family gets hurt by other family members' actions all the time that have nothing to do with their sexual orientation. We can't do everything that "family" wants us to do and be personally happy.

I didn't say you should, only that your actions often hurt the ones you love or that love you the most as you attempt to go off and define yourself.

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At least that is what I've found. I don't ignore their feelings, but yes mine are more important. I don't treat them like bad people or stupid (even when I think they are), I just say "Look, this makes me happy, you love me, then you should just be happy that I'm responsible, healthy and happy."

Right out of the mouth of the Me Generation. Just because they love you does not mean that your actions, any actions or decisions in your life, cannot be hurtful to them in someway and you at least admit that you don't care if you hurt them, as long as you are happy.

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In my honest opinion if your family tells you want religion, sexual orientation, career ect you should have, and pull support from you without meeting those goals they've set...then they don't have any real love for you.

I didn't say they didn't love you or would not love you, only that your actions can hurt them in your atttempt to be whom ever you want to be.

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You love someone you want them to be happy and successful, thats it. They shouldn't define what makes you happy, just be happy for you when you find your own definition.

Absolutely. But there is no requirement for them to continue to support you even if they love you. Just because they love you does not mean they owe you financial, material, or emotional support. That kind of attitude says that the only thing in life is what is important to you and screw what they think.

kerosene · 12-05-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I didn't say you should, only that your actions often hurt the ones you love or that love you the most as you attempt to go off and define yourself.

Right out of the mouth of the Me Generation. Just because they love you does not mean that your actions, any actions or decisions in your life, cannot be hurtful to them in someway and you at least admit that you don't care if you hurt them, as long as you are happy.

I didn't say they didn't love you or would not love you, only that your actions can hurt them in your atttempt to be whom ever you want to be.

Absolutely. But there is no requirement for them to continue to support you even if they love you. Just because they love you does not mean they owe you financial, material, or emotional support. That kind of attitude says that the only thing in life is what is important to you and screw what they think.

This closely resembles a few of the conversations I had with my dad when I was 19/20ish. Wow. Talk about flashbacks.

Yznhymr · 12-04-2008, 02:49 AM

All tax payers suffer.

Shawnee123 · 12-04-2008, 08:09 AM

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All tax payers suffer.

When Ellen and Portia got married, my taxes went through the roof. The freaking ROOF, I tell you.

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12-03-2008, 08:32 PM	#1
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	nope - please do.... __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

12-03-2008, 08:42 PM	#2
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Any group of people should be able to enter into a legal contract without exception regardless of sexual orientation. Thanks for pointing that out, Jinx. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

12-03-2008, 08:45 PM	#3
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Obviously I can't speak for anyone else, but the fact that I'm 'legally' married doesn't mean anywhere near as much to me as the fact that I feel spiritually bound to my husband. In fact, it doesn't really mean anything to me what the law thinks. This is my issue with the whole legal contract argument. There's more involved in getting married than a simple signing of names. If that's all it was, then there'd be no talking or exchanging of vows. People would just send away for the forms, sign them and then send them back. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-03-2008, 08:47 PM	#4
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Still, if we are thinking of civil unions, they come with various pension/insurance benefits. Polygamous unions could become tricky in that respect. Suppose eight people get "married". Do they all get carer's leave when one is sick? How many mother-in-law's funerals can they attend? How would this affect welfare and pensions? It would even be possible, by adding new spouses as old ones die, to keep a poly-marriage going indefinitely. Not that these things should preclude poly-marriage, but I think they're interesting questions. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

12-03-2008, 10:18 PM	#7
dar512 dar512 is now Pete Zicato Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago suburb Posts: 4,968	Robert Anson Heinlein - One of the preeminent science fiction authors of the golden era. In particular, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress discusses line-marriage. __________________ "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain." -- Friedrich Schiller

12-03-2008, 08:49 PM	#9
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I can't imagine having another wife in this house, but an extra husband would come in handy sometimes. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

12-04-2008, 02:49 AM	#14
Yznhymr the crowd goes wild! Join Date: May 2007 Location: USA Posts: 663	All tax payers suffer. __________________ "The pride system tends to intensify the self-hate against which it is supposed to be a defense, since any failure to live up to one's tyrannical shoulds or of the world to honor one's claims leads to feelings of worthlessness." Bernard J. Paris, Ph.D.

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