When it becomes Hillary v McCain

[lookout123]

bebop, those are just the excuses being readied in case McCain does win. It will be very difficult for some people to accept that the voters chose McCain over Clinton/Obama based on ideas, expectations, etc. Obviously there is a BIG IF in there. This election could go any number of ways at this point.

[piercehawkeye45]

I would say skin color doesn't mean as much as culture, ideals, and looks in American politics. As long as a person of any gender and skin color can appeal the majority in views, personality, and looks, they will most likely stand a chance.

Saying that, I do believe white America (since race is the leading divider in our country) is ready for a black skinned president but they are not ready, or will ever be, for a president that puts the black community's interests ahead of white's, urban over suburban, etc. Just looking at the population that Obama targets shows a lot.

Area also affects our perspectives on this. I go to liberal college campus so the vast majority are Obama supporters here but I don't know what the rest of the country is like.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Saying that, I do believe white America (since race is the leading divider in our country) is ready for a black skinned president but they are not ready, or will ever be, for a president that puts the black community's interests ahead of white's, urban over suburban, etc.

You hit the nail on the head there. Good insight.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

And this from a guy who couldn't hack it in the military.

Only if "couldn't hack it" means, didn't want to answer to morons who know less than a tenth of what I do, and going elsewhere to earn more money, have more fun, become well-respected while actually using my brain (something you clearly have failed to do), contribute to the economy rather than drain it, and to leave and live my life under my own terms.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

Only if "couldn't hack it" means, didn't want to answer to morons who know less than a tenth of what I do, and going elsewhere to earn more money, have more fun, become well-respected while actually using my brain (something you clearly have failed to do), contribute to the economy rather than drain it, and to leave and live my life under my own terms.

Narcissist much??? " become well-respected" by whom? Fellow bombers, fellow tax dodgers, fellow supporters of illegal aliens???

Hey Radar, your bomb outside the Edward J. Schwartz Federal Courthouse located in San Diego, California was a dud. But I hear they are still looking for you.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I see by his post Radar doesn't actually want libertarianism to occur anywhere.

I want libertarianism to occur everywhere. Freedom is to be won by those who would have it, and not to be paid for with the blood of Americans violating Constitution. I concur with our founders who wanted America's government to abide by the limitations on its powers. Like them, I am the well-wisher of freedom and liberty to all and the champion only of ours.

America has neither the authority, nor the responsibility to win freedom for any people but those in America.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Why then did he bother? He might as well have stayed over in the hard Left, whence he seems to have originated.

I find it amusing how the ultra-right-wing extremists accuse those of us in the center of being leftists. It's ok, the left-wing communists accuse me of being a right-winger so I know I'm on the right track.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I want free peoples all over the globe, where Radar is quite explicitly content to leave them in their chains.

Wrong. I also want free people all over the globe, and I believe that while our government is prohibited from taking part in any actions to free them from oppression abroad, you should be allowed to donate your time, money, and even yourself to fighting for their freedom as long as you don't expect America to bail you out if things don't go the way you wanted.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Chains don't come off without a little crowbar work, you know. I say his views are quite immoral, quite unconscionable -- and quite eccentric, unless the man is at bottom a slavemonger, which on the evidence of his writing and the attitudes he has expressed since I first made his acquaintance, he is.

You are clearly an idiot, an asshole, a warmonger, a traitor, and someone who believes America's government has no limitations on its powers and is the only country that has powers beyond its own borders and Americans are supposed to send our children to die unnecessarily to defend the freedom of others when our own freedom is being attacked at home.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

His "don't do anything to free anybody ever" attitude would warm Hitler's cockles, and Stalin's too; the same thing warms them both, so he's not eccentric from a fascistocommunistic point of view.

Your "America gets to determine who will have freedom and what freedom means and we'll kill anyone who stands in the way of making it happen" attitude is sickening, and makes you a lot more comparable to Hitler than me. Hitler thought he was liberating people too. All monsters and murderers think they are doing the right thing and killing truly evil people.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

He's not happy with any freedom of thought except that freedom to agree with his -- all his isolationism, all his absence of foreign policy, all his just leaving the Gap to ruin and cause us of the Core more troubles. Phooey on that "idea."

Unlike you, I cling to actual libertarian thought which is to say, I do not support the initiation of force for political gain or social engineering and I don't support having a government that steps beyond the limitations of its powers.

Also, nothing I've ever said is even remotely close to being isolationist. All war mongers accuse supporters of non-military interventionism (aka "libertarians") of being either pacifists or isolationists. They are too stupid to come up with anything resembling a genuine or truthful critique.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

It's so poorly founded I'm surprised he allows himself to retain it; I certainly would not. I don't have his manifest xenophobia. Read between his lines and you can see it -- and explicitly in post #53 he lays out not a nation, but a sort of vast monastery, disconnected from the rest of the globe. I've said before that isolationism is a nonstarter; national isolationism would only really work in the absence of any other nation state anywhere on the Earth. This not being the case, some other approach to global socioeconomics seems called for.

What I said is factual and libertarian. It provides the most freedom for the most people with the least costs. It's ethical and not the slightest bit isolationist.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Frankly, no American is an imperialist. Our temporary and halfhearted dabbling in it after the Spanish-American War goes to prove the point. It had its roots in mercantilist economic theories of international trade, and we never hewed to these, having started in laissez-faire capitalism, which unlike mercantilism's tying of cash crops and resources from the colonies and empire for manufactured goods returning to those colonies, and free trade elsewhere discouraged, we began as all about free trade, and we've stuck with it, even when we think it hurts, as in NAFTA. Capitalism trumps imperialism and makes globalism -- and makes globalism more efficient too. We preferred and prefer prosperity to naked power, as our national behavior shows. We aren't in, at bottom, any imperial habit. We also know the only real prosperity is a general prosperity. We've never lost sight of that.

I want to thank you for once again proving that you are a blithering idiot without the slightest grasp on reality and you know nothing about socio-economics, politics, history, libertarianism, or freedom.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Narcissist much??? " become well-respected" by whom? Fellow bombers, fellow tax dodgers, fellow supporters of illegal aliens???

Hey Radar, your bomb outside the Edward J. Schwartz Federal Courthouse located in San Diego, California was a dud. But I hear they are still looking for you.

Well-respected by intelligent, articulate, well-educated, decent, ethical, and honest people. In other words, those who are the opposite of you in every way.

I pay every cent of tax I owe. I don't owe any part of my income in taxes. I don't support illegal aliens. I support the Constitution which prohibits the federal government from creating or enforcing immigration laws and I support the LEGAL undocumented immigrants who come here to build a better life in exactly the same way European immigrants did 150 years ago.

I don't know anything about bombings, but I'd love to blow up every IRS building in America in a controlled demolition with nobody inside after the IRS is abolished as it, and all other unconstitutional parts of government should be.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

I love illegal aliens and don't pay my taxes.

You are an avowed tax dodging illegal alien supporter. Anyone who would support your wackiness is just that, wacked.

[Radar]

Making up quotes and then responding to them?

Dishonest, and a strawman.

Anyone who would believe a single word you've got to say is mentally retarded, is guilty of treason, and is in need of an ass kicking that will put them in the ICU.

I'd be more than happy to volunteer for the job.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

Making up quotes and then responding to them?

Dishonest, and a strawman.

Anyone who would believe a single word you've got to say is mentally retarded, is guilty of treason, and is in need of an ass licking that will put them in the ICU.

I'd be more than happy to volunteer for the job.

what a pussy.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

I don't know anything about bombings, but I'd love to blow up every IRS building in America in a controlled demolition with nobody inside after the IRS is abolished as it, and all other unconstitutional parts of government should be.

I'll be sure and pass your comments on to the IRS, I am sure someone would be interested in public threats to blow up their buildings.

[Radar]

Feel free to publish them. They are the same as Harry Browne, Aaron Russo, and Michael Badnarik

[Radar]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

what a pussy.

Anytime you want to test that theory out, swing by L.A. and I'd be more than happy to turn you into a bloody stain on the pavement.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

Feel free to publish them. They are the same as Harry Browne, Aaron Russo, and Michael Badnarik

I still say they would love to check up on you. Your history is well known.

[Radar]

Yes, my history of standing up for freedom, liberty, justice, and the U.S. Constitution is very well-known. My history of proving mental midgets like you wrong on a daily basis is also well-known