Reverend Wright - Page 5

Radar · 03-21-2008, 03:44 PM

True, but more people are like me than like those who think the Obama can be faulted for the political opinions of his pastor.

Shawnee123 · 03-21-2008, 03:45 PM

Cite?

Undertoad · 03-21-2008, 03:49 PM

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All we see are short clips taken from long sermons over a long period of time. Until someone can tell me what happens during the other 99.9% of the service, I will reserve my full judgment about the Reverend.

This clip shows the context of the angry "America's chickens are coming home to roost" statement:

It's ten minutes and you don't have to watch the whole thing.

But if you do, it'll become very clear that the Rev's statements were edited for maximum impact. And by the end of it, you may even think he's a decent man, as the bulk of the sermon is not ranting about America, but using the events of 9/11 to encourage people to build their personal relationship with their God.

So, PW45, the tapes are for sale? A whisper goes around (a few months ago - I heard it) that even Obama thinks his pastor may be a minor issue for him. So, somebody highly motivated buys all the tapes, and picks out the very worst 30 seconds of sound bites in them. They compile it into a video, and they give that video to Fox News. It's already the length and format they need to make it a 60-second news item during they day, and perfect for the nightly pundits to bite on at will.

It takes a lot of time, planning, and expertise to put together something like that. The videos they are culling from are hours long. It involves video know-how and a certain amount of money committed to the technologies involved. Fox could have done it, but they would have claimed to have done so no matter who did the original footwork. And you have to wonder how highly motivated a Fox writer or reporter is going to be, to go through hours of tapes, made over years. It would probably take a week to do. Those people have actual deadlines to worry about!

It could have been a 527 advocacy group, could have been Hillary, could have been McCain. The timing is only right for Hillary though. It happens in a series of attacks her side has engineered since she fired her previous campaign manager and went on the attack. (In a sort of a shotgun fashion: get a wide enough blast pattern and something is going to hit.) Half of the attacks are direct and traceable; others, such as giving a pic of Obama wearing a weirdly ethnic garment to Drudge, are untraceable but fit the pattern of a campaign on the ropes, using everything they have.

Peter Pumpkinhead put to shame
Governments who would slur his name
Plots and sex scandals failed outright
Peter merely said
"Any kind of love is alright!"

TheMercenary · 03-22-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

It could have been a 527 advocacy group, could have been Hillary, could have been McCain. The timing is only right for Hillary though. It happens in a series of attacks her side has engineered since she fired her previous campaign manager and went on the attack. (In a sort of a shotgun fashion: get a wide enough blast pattern and something is going to hit.) Half of the attacks are direct and traceable; others, such as giving a pic of Obama wearing a weirdly ethnic garment to Drudge, are untraceable but fit the pattern of a campaign on the ropes, using everything they have.

I agree completely.

Radar · 03-21-2008, 04:17 PM

Thanks UT. In the last 20 years, I've been into church exactly twice and both were for funerals. I didn't see any hatred being spread in that sermon. You've helped prove that once again, we've got chickenshit people using chickenshit tactics and taking cheap shots at Obama when he hasn't said or done anything remotely resembling what they accuse him of. This includes mentioning his minister, showing him without his hand on his heart during "America the Beautiful" and claiming it was during a pledge, repeatedly mentioning his middle name, comparing is last name to Osama, showing him in robes while visiting Africa, etc.

freshnesschronic · 03-21-2008, 04:35 PM

Yeah Radar. Agreed, his reverend does not have anything remotely to do with Obama's politicking. And those chickenshit tactics are just to belittle a very decent, quality man. Skewing videos and thinking he's a Muslim extremist because of his name (which he had no control of and no relevance when he was born) is bullshit.

Shit, I'd wear robes if I were visiting Africa, out of deep respect to the culture.

TheMercenary · 03-22-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I have seen a few exaggerations and even lies told by the Reverend, but nothing he has done is anything different than what Bill O'Reilly has, just that it is coming from another angle.

Why the hypocriticalness? Can we as a nation not accept a different point of views?

What a load of crap for a statement. You don't see the double standard there? O'Reilly is a commentator, not a preacher.

piercehawkeye45 · 03-22-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

What a load of crap for a statement. You don't see the double standard there? O'Reilly is a commentator, not a preacher.

They both preach. One just uses 'God' as a justification, one uses truth and news.

TheMercenary · 03-22-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

They both preach. One just uses 'God' as a justification, one uses truth and news.

I consider them both to be nothing more than commentators. They are not much different from each other.

piercehawkeye45 · 03-22-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I consider them both to be nothing more than commentators. They are not much different from each other.

That was my original point.

Radar · 03-22-2008, 06:21 PM

Don't ever use the word "truth" in connection to anything Bill O'Reilly says. He's a liar, an asshole, and an idiot just like Lou Dobbs.

TheMercenary · 03-22-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

Don't ever use the word "truth" in connection to anything Bill O'Reilly says. He's a liar, an asshole, and an idiot just like Lou Dobbs.

Just like Radar.

piercehawkeye45 · 03-22-2008, 06:37 PM

I know, I was using both 'truth' and 'news' in a sarcastic manner.

TheMercenary · 03-22-2008, 06:41 PM

Coulter on the otherhand is an idiot.

http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=12893

Radar · 03-22-2008, 07:25 PM

I never lie for any reason. I don't need to. Lying is for weaklings and cowards like you Merc.

03-21-2008, 03:44 PM	#1
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	True, but more people are like me than like those who think the Obama can be faulted for the political opinions of his pastor. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

03-21-2008, 03:45 PM	#2
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Cite? __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

03-21-2008, 04:17 PM	#5
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Thanks UT. In the last 20 years, I've been into church exactly twice and both were for funerals. I didn't see any hatred being spread in that sermon. You've helped prove that once again, we've got chickenshit people using chickenshit tactics and taking cheap shots at Obama when he hasn't said or done anything remotely resembling what they accuse him of. This includes mentioning his minister, showing him without his hand on his heart during "America the Beautiful" and claiming it was during a pledge, repeatedly mentioning his middle name, comparing is last name to Osama, showing him in robes while visiting Africa, etc. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

03-22-2008, 06:21 PM	#11
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Don't ever use the word "truth" in connection to anything Bill O'Reilly says. He's a liar, an asshole, and an idiot just like Lou Dobbs. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

03-22-2008, 06:37 PM	#13
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I know, I was using both 'truth' and 'news' in a sarcastic manner. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

03-21-2008, 04:35 PM	#6
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	Yeah Radar. Agreed, his reverend does not have anything remotely to do with Obama's politicking. And those chickenshit tactics are just to belittle a very decent, quality man. Skewing videos and thinking he's a Muslim extremist because of his name (which he had no control of and no relevance when he was born) is bullshit. Shit, I'd wear robes if I were visiting Africa, out of deep respect to the culture.

03-22-2008, 06:41 PM	#14
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Coulter on the otherhand is an idiot. http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=12893 __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

03-22-2008, 07:25 PM	#15
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	I never lie for any reason. I don't need to. Lying is for weaklings and cowards like you Merc. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

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