A historically significant day for Australians

[Aliantha]

its just not going to, nor should it happen.

Maybe it wont happen, but as far as whether if should or shouldn't is highly subjective. I'd suggest that it's your opinion that it shouldn't. Not necessarily a fact.

[classicman]

Absolutely - nothing more nor less than my opinion. As it should be.



(disclaimer: I am referring to the U.S. situation - not Australia)

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by classicman

Bullshit PS - there are more friggin programs to help the disadvantaged and the vast majority of those programs are being abused by those who were intended to benefit from them. Its time to stop trying to make up for whatever happened a hundred years ago, look forward and move on. To completely try and make up for something that one really cannot is foolish and although your idealistic view is commendable, its just not going to, nor should it happen.

The programs failed because they are flawed from the beginning. We tried to help people of color by integrating them into white institutions. The only way to help them is to allow them to create their own institutions. Stop allowing whites to create programs to help blacks, most white people have no perspective on how to help people of color, the only people that can do that are people of color. I have met some people that have some much better ideas then the ones implemented right now....I wonder why.

[xoxoxoBruce]

And who's putting up the money for these "black institutions"?

[classicman]

No PH, the programs are currently failing because they are being abused.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

As I said before, monetary help won’t do anything. If reparations are going to work, it has to be in the form of institutions and equal opportunity, which I hope you are not opposed too.

I am all for equal opportunity for all, regardless of color, based purely on merit. Not advantages for some, because of color.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

And who's putting up the money for these "black institutions"?

I'm not quite exactly sure but I doubt there would be much more funding.

Having black children taught by black teachers and run under a black administration won't cost much more.

Originally Posted by Classicman

No PH, the programs are currently failing because they are being abused.

Yes, because they are set up in such a way that many people's rational decision is to abuse the system.

[Aliantha]

Having black children taught by black teachers and run under a black administration won't cost much more.

I'm not sure that returning to segregation is the best way forward, however it is certainly beneficial for children to relate to their teachers.

[piercehawkeye45]

I don't like segregation either but integration has failed, we are still mostly segregated by race. I doubt America would fully segregate again anyways, we would have to learn to live with each other.

[Aliantha]

There's nothing wrong with having black and white teachers in schools, just as there should be black and white students. I don't think affirmative action is the answer, but I definitely think that headmasters (or whoever does the hiring) should consider the cultural needs of the children when making staffing decisions. Kids don't necessarily need same culture teachers all the time, but it's good if they do some of the time. That creates a greater learning environment for all students and teachers.

[Aliantha]

integration has failed

not for everyone.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I don't like segregation either but integration has failed, we are still mostly segregated by race. I doubt America would fully segregate again anyways, we would have to learn to live with each other.

What??? Do you have any idea how much has changed in that last few generations???? And you want to go back to separate but equal?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I don't like segregation either but integration has failed, we are still mostly segregated by race. I doubt America would fully segregate again anyways, we would have to learn to live with each other.

Holy shit - PH you have no idea how far we have come in just the last 20 let alone 50 years! Failed???? Not by a long shot! As a country, we are learning to live with each other and integrate more and more all the time. If anything, there need to be less programs so that stigma is also removed.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

The reason no apology is needed from Britain to Scotland is because the people in Scotland are not currently at a disadvantage from what happened in the past as opposed to the natives in the United States or Aboriginals in Australia.

And then there is this in today's news:

Anti-English sentiment 'as big a threat to Scots as sectarianism'


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...sm-783540.html

[TheMercenary]

No reparations in the US. None. Nada. It ain't going to happen. Our gene pool is to diluted to prove much more than we are a big mix of dna. Only the smallest minority of blacks could prove they were direct descendents of slaves. Only the smallest minority of whites could prove they were slave owners. I don't think we need to be paying anyone for the minority errors of a minority.