Another upstanding repubican - Page 5

Urbane Guerrilla · 09-09-2007, 11:18 PM

And a lot to do with how well he can digest his supper.

And under "how he votes" I presume his constituents prefer that he not whack the appropriate button with his wang.

09-09-2007, 11:46 PM

Again, as long as it is the right one... I could care less.
People who are afraid of sex should not leave the house.

Urbane Guerrilla · 09-10-2007, 01:06 AM

I quite agree: can't even ask them to keep it to themselves to any effect.

09-10-2007, 01:23 AM

I would ask, but the problem is that they are hounded by the press and those morons bring things that are irrelevant to their jobs/fame up and shout it to the world.
It should be ignored.

Spexxvet · 09-10-2007, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

As long as he is voting the way his constituents want him to it does not matter what he does in his free time.
I don't care if he screwed a male dressed as a horse on the capital steps.
ALL THAT MATTERS IS HOW HE VOTES!
It is his right to be a homophobe and gay at the same time. That has NOTHING to do with his job!

I agree, rk. But the repubicans are the self-professed "high moral values / integrity" party. Remember how they were horrified that Clinton had an affair?

DanaC · 09-10-2007, 09:08 AM

I think you've struck on the core problem there Spexxvet.

During the early 90's the Conservative party in the UK was embroiled in a series of sex-scandals which damaged them heavily. The reason the damage was so great was not because people were so shocked about sex, but rather that the Conservative government had based its election campaign on a 'Back to basics', family values ticket. The politicians involved in the scandal were invariably family men who'd been photographed heavily in the media with said families.

Several of these politicians had made their reputation with right-wing, anti-gay stances and then were discovered to have had homosexual experiences.

People were shocked because of the hypocrisy involved. These were politicians who actively campaigned against the 'assault on family values', haranguing 'dole dosser single mums' and 'liberal ideas of modern family structures'. Yet in their private lives they did not practice what they preached.

Sex scandals didn't damage the Labour politicians so much...but the financial scandals have damaged it greatly...why? because Labour campaigned partially on financial probity after the conservative's 'cash for questions' scandal.

What you do in your private life doesn't matter as long as you represent your constituents. But...and its a big but...if you are engaged in the world of politics your words can affect the way society runs and the lives of your fellow citizens. The higher up in politics that you get the molre that is the case. If you are voicing opinions about how your fellow citizens should live their lives, you have no right not to apply those strictures to yourself.

HungLikeJesus · 09-10-2007, 11:08 AM

DanaC - I think that that was a good synopsis of the issue.

richlevy · 09-10-2007, 01:35 PM

A funny thing happened a few days ago. I'm still out here in Vegas and I used the mens room in one of the casinos. It was pretty busy, and out of the blue someone makes a "I don't want to hear any foot tapping" joke.

Someone else said "Don't worry about me, I'm a Democrat" which got a big laugh.

Guilty or innocent, when your life is reduced to jokes among strangers in men's rooms, your career is toast.

If the guy is gay, he should just jump out of the closet and become another disaffected gay Republican. He can have loads of fun sniping at them from the sidelines as they go into the 2008 elections.

If he really isn't gay and it's a misunderstanding or setup, than he's the dumbest guy on the planet for not asking for a lawyer. IMO, one of the big differences between law-and-order conservatives and generic liberals is that many of the law-and-order types have never had the experience of being arrested while innocent, or pulled over for not looking quite right.

Craig's experience mimics that of any working poor person who finds themselves in trouble, maybe with a prior drug arrest, and faced with the prospect of pleading to something they didn't do rather than take a chance with a public defender.

If Edwards is right and there are "Two Americas", then Craig stepped over into the wrong one. Maybe he'll learn something from the experience.

Happy Monkey · 09-10-2007, 02:12 PM

I think a lot of the "anti-Craig" stuff from the left has been of the "hey, look at this guy, 'values-voters'!" sort. I don't think that, regardless of whether he did it, what he was accused of should even be illegal. However, if there's anyone that overly restrictive laws should be applied to, it's the politicians that supported them. And if anyone deserves the tsking and clucking of the "values voters", it's the politicians that cater to them.

Happy Monkey · 09-17-2007, 12:15 PM

Good.

09-17-2007, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC

I think you've struck on the core problem there Spexxvet.

During the early 90's the Conservative party in the UK was embroiled in a series of sex-scandals which damaged them heavily. The reason the damage was so great was not because people were so shocked about sex, but rather that the Conservative government had based its election campaign on a 'Back to basics', family values ticket. The politicians involved in the scandal were invariably family men who'd been photographed heavily in the media with said families.

Several of these politicians had made their reputation with right-wing, anti-gay stances and then were discovered to have had homosexual experiences.

People were shocked because of the hypocrisy involved. These were politicians who actively campaigned against the 'assault on family values', haranguing 'dole dosser single mums' and 'liberal ideas of modern family structures'. Yet in their private lives they did not practice what they preached.

Sex scandals didn't damage the Labour politicians so much...but the financial scandals have damaged it greatly...why? because Labour campaigned partially on financial probity after the conservative's 'cash for questions' scandal.

What you do in your private life doesn't matter as long as you represent your constituents. But...and its a big but...if you are engaged in the world of politics your words can affect the way society runs and the lives of your fellow citizens. The higher up in politics that you get the molre that is the case. If you are voicing opinions about how your fellow citizens should live their lives, you have no right not to apply those strictures to yourself.

I don't see it that way, they are not paid not to be gay, they are paid to vote conservatively. There is NO disconnect.
You are not a hypocrite if you are an exterminator and have pet bugs at home. You are NOT YOUR JOB.
Why can't people get this through their heads?
It's like the immediate link between sports and kids... it is in your imagination.

Happy Monkey · 09-17-2007, 04:58 PM

No, they are paid to not have other jobs while in public service. They are elected for whatever reasons their voters choose. He chased after the votes of people who want government to oppose homosexuality, and deserves to be hoisted by his own petard politically.

But not criminally. Even taking the officer's word as absolute truth, the only thing he's "guilty" of is being annoyingly creepy. The harshest punishment for that should be being asked to leave.

DanaC · 09-17-2007, 05:04 PM

Quote:

You are not a hypocrite if you are an exterminator and have pet bugs at home. You are NOT YOUR JOB.

If your 'job' is your conviction it is hypocritical not to hold it tightly.

[eta] A politician deals in convictions, ideas and beliefs. If a salesman sells a product he knows to be broken, he is a con-merchant.

09-17-2007, 05:08 PM

Again, I don't care.
As long as the person does what I pay them to do better than everyone else (or, in some cases, as well as I ask them to) I'm happy, end of story.
Their being a hypocrite is not the point and none of my business.
Make touchdowns, vote conservative, mow the lawn, etc, etc, etc... it does not matter.

Spexxvet · 09-17-2007, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Again, I don't care.
As long as the person does what I pay them to do better than everyone else (or, in some cases, as well as I ask them to) I'm happy, end of story.
Their being a hypocrite is not the point and none of my business.

So you're ok with the drug-dealing or hit-man cop? How about the pedophile pediatrician?

09-10-2007, 01:06 AM	#63
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	I quite agree: can't even ask them to keep it to themselves to any effect. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

09-10-2007, 11:08 AM	#67
HungLikeJesus Only looks like a disaster tourist Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: above 7,000 feet Posts: 7,208	DanaC - I think that that was a good synopsis of the issue. __________________ Keep Your Bodies Off My Lawn SteveDallas's Random Thread Picker.

09-10-2007, 01:35 PM	#68
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	A funny thing happened a few days ago. I'm still out here in Vegas and I used the mens room in one of the casinos. It was pretty busy, and out of the blue someone makes a "I don't want to hear any foot tapping" joke. Someone else said "Don't worry about me, I'm a Democrat" which got a big laugh. Guilty or innocent, when your life is reduced to jokes among strangers in men's rooms, your career is toast. If the guy is gay, he should just jump out of the closet and become another disaffected gay Republican. He can have loads of fun sniping at them from the sidelines as they go into the 2008 elections. If he really isn't gay and it's a misunderstanding or setup, than he's the dumbest guy on the planet for not asking for a lawyer. IMO, one of the big differences between law-and-order conservatives and generic liberals is that many of the law-and-order types have never had the experience of being arrested while innocent, or pulled over for not looking quite right. Craig's experience mimics that of any working poor person who finds themselves in trouble, maybe with a prior drug arrest, and faced with the prospect of pleading to something they didn't do rather than take a chance with a public defender. If Edwards is right and there are "Two Americas", then Craig stepped over into the wrong one. Maybe he'll learn something from the experience. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

09-10-2007, 02:12 PM	#69
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I think a lot of the "anti-Craig" stuff from the left has been of the "hey, look at this guy, 'values-voters'!" sort. I don't think that, regardless of whether he did it, what he was accused of should even be illegal. However, if there's anyone that overly restrictive laws should be applied to, it's the politicians that supported them. And if anyone deserves the tsking and clucking of the "values voters", it's the politicians that cater to them. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

09-17-2007, 12:15 PM	#70
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Good. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

09-09-2007, 11:18 PM	#61
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	And a lot to do with how well he can digest his supper. And under "how he votes" I presume his constituents prefer that he not whack the appropriate button with his wang.

09-09-2007, 11:46 PM	#62
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Again, as long as it is the right one... I could care less. People who are afraid of sex should not leave the house.

09-10-2007, 01:23 AM	#64
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I would ask, but the problem is that they are hounded by the press and those morons bring things that are irrelevant to their jobs/fame up and shout it to the world. It should be ignored.

09-10-2007, 09:08 AM	#66
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I think you've struck on the core problem there Spexxvet. During the early 90's the Conservative party in the UK was embroiled in a series of sex-scandals which damaged them heavily. The reason the damage was so great was not because people were so shocked about sex, but rather that the Conservative government had based its election campaign on a 'Back to basics', family values ticket. The politicians involved in the scandal were invariably family men who'd been photographed heavily in the media with said families. Several of these politicians had made their reputation with right-wing, anti-gay stances and then were discovered to have had homosexual experiences. People were shocked because of the hypocrisy involved. These were politicians who actively campaigned against the 'assault on family values', haranguing 'dole dosser single mums' and 'liberal ideas of modern family structures'. Yet in their private lives they did not practice what they preached. Sex scandals didn't damage the Labour politicians so much...but the financial scandals have damaged it greatly...why? because Labour campaigned partially on financial probity after the conservative's 'cash for questions' scandal. What you do in your private life doesn't matter as long as you represent your constituents. But...and its a big but...if you are engaged in the world of politics your words can affect the way society runs and the lives of your fellow citizens. The higher up in politics that you get the molre that is the case. If you are voicing opinions about how your fellow citizens should live their lives, you have no right not to apply those strictures to yourself.

09-17-2007, 04:58 PM	#72
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	No, they are paid to not have other jobs while in public service. They are elected for whatever reasons their voters choose. He chased after the votes of people who want government to oppose homosexuality, and deserves to be hoisted by his own petard politically. But not criminally. Even taking the officer's word as absolute truth, the only thing he's "guilty" of is being annoyingly creepy. The harshest punishment for that should be being asked to leave. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

09-17-2007, 05:08 PM	#74
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Again, I don't care. As long as the person does what I pay them to do better than everyone else (or, in some cases, as well as I ask them to) I'm happy, end of story. Their being a hypocrite is not the point and none of my business. Make touchdowns, vote conservative, mow the lawn, etc, etc, etc... it does not matter.

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