Men Abortion and Choice

[piercehawkeye45]

Trying to find equality in abortion is near impossible.

It takes two to have a baby but only one will pay the consequences. One group focuses on one area and another group will focus on the other area and we get nowhere.

[DanaC]

I am attaching the word force to what you seem to feel is a man's right in this. Any and all decisions about my body are mine. When and if I have sex and who with, whether or not I carry a child to term or seek medical intervention. Those are my decisions to make as long as the law allows abortion.

I would, in that situation, I hope, give full consideration to the man's feelings on it. But, if he and I haven't actually decided to get pregnant then we both took a risk: I risked getting pregnant, and he risked getting me pregnant. One of the attendant risks of getting pregnant is that I may have a child, with all the potential health factors that involves and also, possibly end up as a single mother whose career and future plans come grinding to a halt because the world turned upside down. One of the attendant risks of getting me pregnant would be that the potential child he might have had could be denied him. Both parties decided to sleep with each other. Both knew the risks. Every woman knows condoms can break. Every man knows a woman has the legal right to seek an abortion (in those countries where it is legal of course :P). Sleep with someone you are not actually planning a family with and you take the above, and a whole host of other, risks.

[piercehawkeye45]

For the people that believe in this...

"The greatest inequality is to make unequal things equal"


Abortion:

Woman: Has risk of getting pregnant
Man: Has risk of getting woman pregnant

Woman: Has to endure pregnancy
Man: Does not have to endure pregnancy

These are naturally unequal.

To say that a man should have an equal voice in abortion is saying that we are making something that is naturally unequal and making it equal. I thought most people on this forum oppose this idea?

Every man knows a woman has the legal right to seek an abortion (in those countries where it is legal of course :P). Sleep with someone you are not actually planning a family with and you take the above, and a whole host of other, risks.

Right, and I am talking about changing that paradigm for the men who wish to accept their responsibility toward their child once it is made.

[DanaC]

No, you are talking about changing that paradigm for the men who wish to accept their responsibility and for the women who get pregnant.

There is a lot of stating the obvious in this thread.
Tell me, how often do you think this would really happen?

[DanaC]

How often do I think what would really happen?

That a man would want to take full responsibility and want the child for himself alone.

[jinx]

Yeah, skipped over most of your shit actually... such utter crap I thought it was Fresh...

Sniffing the ether

I see... literal.

[DucksNuts]

I've written replies and deleted them 3 times now, which is very unlike me.

I think Jinx is probably responding to this little gem....

If two people have sex and know how babies are made and know that no contraception is perfect they choose to risk getting pregnant, if they do it is a choice. They chose that risk and therefore chose the result.

Dana uses *forced* correctly in my mind....deciding to have sex (safely) and having an accident, doesnt mean the sperm donour (lets not call him a Father, he isnt a Father at this stage) should be allowed to dictate how the paternal Mothers body is used for the next 9 months.

Its ridiculous, you want to force an unwilling Female to carry a child?

[jinx]

Well that, and this exchange, and a couple other comments,

Originally Posted by dana

Simply because she chose to have sex with a man, he gets to make decisions about what she does with her body?

Originally Posted by rage

But it's ok to let a woman kill his child without his consent even though she CHOSE to get pregnant... I see.

but whatever. It's just ridiculous.

[Stormieweather]

That requirement would have the same affect on my body, as outlawing abortion would. In other words, I would HAVE to carry an unwanted fetus around for 9 months and take all of the risks involved with pregnancy and childbirth (for me, both are equally high risk). My body would be forever changed as would my emotional state.

Who is going to hold my hair while I puke my guts out every morning? Who is going to rub my back when I can barely stand? Who is going to help me up out of my chair or up the stairs? Who is going to prepare and inject my insulin shots? Who is going to be with me while I go through the multiple tests and procedures to ensure a healthy pregnancy? Who is going to make sure I eat right and don't drink or do drugs? Who is going to hold my hand while I scream during labor? Who is going to bring me ice packs when my breasts engorge? Who is going to admire my not-so-perfect-anymore body?

How many women do you think would actually go through with giving the baby to the birth father after he forced her to complete the pregnancy and childbirth? He gets to have sex, proceed to sit back and daydream of his coming child, then get it handed to him on a silver platter <so to speak>. And you think this is somehow FAIR or EQUAL????

I agree with Dana, both people who engage in sex take a risk. If they aren't prepared to deal with the consequences, then they need to abstain. Period.

[DucksNuts]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

I agree with Dana, both people who engage in sex take a risk. If they aren't prepared to deal with the consequences, then they need to abstain. Period.

Abstain....seriously?

So she gets to be selfish