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Old 05-29-2007, 10:53 PM   #1
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Mount Evans is beautiful. Been there a few times. Use to live in Aurora when I was stationed at Fitz in the late 1980's. Use to love that drive because it was easy to see the heards of mountain goats/sheep that lived up on the top.
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:20 PM   #2
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Yes, and the whistle pigs, too. I have lots of pictures of the goats, as we usually go up whenever we have visitors in town in the summer. We can almost see Mt. Evans from the house.
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Old 08-02-2007, 04:29 PM   #3
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Goats and Whistlepig on Mt. Evans (Colorado)

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Yes, and the whistle pigs, too. I have lots of pictures of the goats, as we usually go up whenever we have visitors in town in the summer. We can almost see Mt. Evans from the house.
I just found these Mt. Evans pictures while cleaning my hard drive: goats and whistlepig.

Both pictures were taken right along the road that goes to the top of Mt. Evans, somewhere around 14,000 feet ASL.
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Old 05-30-2007, 06:38 AM   #4
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we did our bit for the environment and downsized, giving up our larger car for a smaller 4 cylinder. We don't even pay for fuel or the car. It's part of hubby's salary package.

We just felt it was one thing we could do to help. It means we need to buy a trailer for the times we need to carry more stuff, but for general day to day living, we don't need a big car.

I don't like all the big cars on the road. They shit me to tears because more than half the people driving them don't know what the fuck they're doing and they are a hazard to other drivers, aside from the fact that they're wasting resources.
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Old 05-30-2007, 12:01 PM   #5
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Tell that to someone on a respirator.
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:01 PM   #6
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Tell that to someone on a respirator.
I had no idea there were gasoline powered respirators. For those that need power during a storm for life sustaining equipment, I'd highly suggest installing a natural gas powered system that runs off the local supply. Being that power outages in hurricane prone areas can last for weeks, there's no way I'd trust my life to an unleaded gas generator since it is so difficult to stock the stuff or find it before, during, and after a storm hits.

The best plan for people that require power for their life sustaining equipment: have enough gasoline in your car and a decent evacuation plan. Don't stick around if your life is in danger. It isn't worth it.

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Old 05-30-2007, 01:15 PM   #7
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I had no idea there were gasoline powered respirators. For those that power during a storm for life sustaining equipment, I'd highly suggest installing a natural gas powered system that runs off the local supply. Being that power outages in hurricane prone areas can last for weeks, there's no way I'd trust my life to a gas generator since it is so difficult to stock the stuff or find it before, during, and after a storm hits.

The best plan for people that require power for their life sustaining equipment: have enough gasoline in your car and a decent evacuation plan. Don't stick around if your life is in danger. It isn't worth it.
What do you think we use to run electricity after a hurricane?
How will that natural gas get delivered after the second week of downed services?
I live in this place, you do not... speak of what you know. It is a lot easier to stock and run a gas gen than natural gas here. There are no in ground lines, and where there are, most of the times service is interrupted after a storm, tree roots pull them up.
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:17 PM   #8
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What do you think we use to run electricity after a hurricane?
How will that natural gas get delivered after the second week of downed services?
I live in this place, you do not... speak of what you know. It is a lot easier to stock and run a gas gen than natural gas here. There are no in ground lines, and where there are, most of the times service is interrupted after a storm, tree roots pull them up.
Well, I guess you're taking your chances, then. There's absolutely no way I'd do it. I'm not even a native and I've seen enough shortages and hoarding during the last four years of storms to know I wouldn't trust a generator if my life depended on it. I'd get the hell out.

The state repeatedly tells people they're on their own for at least 48 hours following hurricane landfall. Defense, food, water, everything is up to you. I don't think rationing has ever happened due to a hurricane, here, nor would I trust the government when simply getting gasoline supplies into the state is damn near impossible for many days after the catastrophe.
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:22 PM   #9
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What do you think we use to run electricity after a hurricane?
How will that natural gas get delivered after the second week of downed services?
I live in this place, you do not... speak of what you know. It is a lot easier to stock and run a gas gen than natural gas here. There are no in ground lines, and where there are, most of the times service is interrupted after a storm, tree roots pull them up.
And you need power to run the pumps that pump the gas. The key is to have your own stock and run a generator sparingly. I would say most should plan for 2 to 3 weeks of no power in a worst case senerio. I live right on the coast and have no doubt that I can hold out for that long. I have a boat that holds 135 gal. That is a great resource for a generator that holds 4 gallons of gas.
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:12 PM   #10
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Exactly, punitive taxes are for socialists... not Americans..
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:24 PM   #11
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We have a hand pump... people keep forgetting that we own a ranch and many groves.

On our own for 48hrs, LOL, what a genius! Try weeks.
During season we keep military gas cans stored behind each home... there are several, remember?
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We have a hand pump... people keep forgetting that we own a ranch and many groves.

On our own for 48hrs, LOL, what a genius! Try weeks.
During season we keep military gas cans stored behind each home... there are several, remember?
I find the "48 hour rule" to be pretty unreasonable, too. Especially for people out your way, I'd plan on not hearing anything from authorities for...yeah, weeks. Even out here I'd plan on not getting help for four or more days. Really sad.
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Old 05-30-2007, 01:51 PM   #13
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It took a week when we lived in a regular residential neighborhood one year.
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Old 05-30-2007, 02:00 PM   #14
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Look at the Katrina survivors. That ought to be a pretty good example of a worst case situation.
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Old 05-30-2007, 03:25 PM   #15
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this might be a possible solution in the future........
water-to-fire

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"You could take plain salt water out of the sea, put it in containers and produce a violent flame that could heat generators that make electricity, or provide other forms of energy," Kanzius said.
But I see the oil companies buying this invention up so that it could never be duplicated...
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