Do You Own a Gun?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Radar

... You also have the right to drink alcohol when you've reached the age of majority (18)....

Why do you feel justified in limiting the rights of minors to drink alcohol, but will not tolerate ANY limitations on gun ownership?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

What are you talking about?

Not like I had much choice since I was born here but I gave up my right to drink under the age of 21, use marijuana, have grenades, have nuclear weapons, kill someone, rape someone, hold whoever I want prisoner, own someone, and millions of other "rights" to live here without getting fined or going to jail.
Do you have a right to own a nuclear weapon? Why can't I own nuclear weapons? Because I decided to live in a society where nuclear weapons are outlawed therefore I gave up my right to own nuclear weapons to live in my society.
I have to agree 100% with Shawnee123 on this one. Rights are just like ethics, something that is made up by society. Also, you can not confuse philosophy (rights, ethics) with science (gravity, evolution) because one will disappear once humans are gone and the other will continue until heat death.

You gave up nothing....they didn't ask you to give up anything. Everything you can't do was a right taken away from you.

Rights are not created by society, they are taken away by society.
Is there a law that say you have the right to go to the Dairy Queen and get brain freeze? No, laws only take rights away, not give them.

When a deer in the woods wakes up in the morning does it contemplate whether it can go here or there. No, it has the right to go where ever it wants until someone takes part of that right away by putting up a fence or something.
It's the same for humans. When you wake up in the morning you can do anything you want unless someone has taken the right to do that away.

Your rights are not like ethics, they are not analyzed and agreed upon. Laws are like ethics. Rights are natural and yours until they are taken away by society with it's laws/ethics.

[Shawnee123]

How are we born with rights? Did a little certificate pop out with your little head?

ALL gun control laws are unconstitutional.

Our rights don't come from the Constitution or from government.

If our rights don't come from the constitution then gun controls laws (not having that right) are not unconstitutional, by that definition. Contradictory.

My right to own guns is not for others to decide how I will exercise, and is not up for debate.

Again, where do your rights come from unless you are god or satan? (OH GOD before everyone freaks I'm being tongue-in-cheek...don't get on me about god or satan, or even santa.)

Having rights or not having rights is a societal concept. They did not just appear at birth.

Argue the right to own guns or not within our society, because that's where we are.

In other words: HUH?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

How are we born with rights? Did a little certificate pop out with your little head?





If our rights don't come from the constitution then gun controls laws (not having that right) are not unconstitutional, by that definition. Contradictory.



Again, where do your rights come from unless you are god or satan? (OH GOD before everyone freaks I'm being tongue-in-cheek...don't get on me about god or satan, or even santa.)

Having rights or not having rights is a societal concept. They did not just appear at birth.

Argue the right to own guns or not within our society, because that's where we are.

In other words: HUH?

Our rights come from natural law, which is part of the laws of nature. Where does gravity come from? It's a constant. It's a universal law of nature and is no more or less immutable than our rights. Rights are undeniable and self-evident and are with us from the moment of birth.

If you're unclear about natural law or rights, I suggest you read up on them because they are the foundation of our laws in America.

And yes, all gun control laws are unconstitutional, and a direct violation of our natural rights.

Right now they come from my, and other's, arsenal. As our founding father's wanted it.
Molon Labe

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Right now they come from my, and other's, arsenal. As our founding father's wanted it.
Molon Labe

I like melons as much as the next guy.

Are we BORN with rights, or are they afforded us by our constitution? Who was born with rights first, our founding fathers, or the first quadrapedal to become bipedal?

It's like being born with original sin, only opposite. Get the pope.

Wow.

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I like melons as much as the next guy.

Are we BORN with rights, or are they afforded us by our constitution? Who was born with rights first, our founding fathers, or the first quadrapedal to become bipedal?

It's like being born with original sin, only opposite. Get the pope.

Wow.

Pull your skirt down, your snide ignorance is showing.

Molon Labe

When the Greeks came to Sparta they told the Spartans to lay down their arms...the Spartans replied "Molon Labe"...
"Come and take them"

[Shawnee123]

The right to own a gun is within natural law, it's just like gravity? Since the beginning of time? I had no idea!

Gravity is pure physical science. Rights are a concept.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

The right to own a gun is within natural law, it's just like gravity? Since the beginning of time? I had no idea!

Well now you do.

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Gravity is pure physical science. Rights are a concept.

Natural rights are no less immutable or deniable than gravity itself. They aren't a "concept" or an "idea". They are real, tangible, and undeniable.

As the founders said, they are self-evident.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Radar

Natural rights are no less immutable or deniable than gravity itself. They aren't a "concept" or an "idea". They are real, tangible, and undeniable.

As the founders said, they are self-evident.

Do I have the right to shoot and kill you?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Do I have the right to shoot and kill you?

Only if I am violating your right to life, liberty, and property. You only have the right to kill in your own defense.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Radar

Only if I am violating your right to life, liberty, and property. You only have the right to kill in your own defense.

Property? Own defense? Are you saying that we were born with the right to have "stuff" and kill to keep our "stuff"?

[somekind]

I own a Beretta automatic, but I keep it unloaded, and never shoot it.

[Radar]

We own ourselves. Our property is an extension of ourselves. It is the fruits of our labor. Our right to defend ourselves extends to our property as well. And yes, if someone tries to take our property by force, we have the right to use any level of force necessary to stop them up to and including deadly force. For instance, if government agents tried to steal my house, I'd be within my rights to kill them if they refused to go away.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Radar

We own ourselves. Our property is an extension of ourselves. It is the fruits of our labor. Our right to defend ourselves extends to our property as well. And yes, if someone tries to take our property by force, we have the right to use any level of force necessary to stop them up to and including deadly force. For instance, if government agents tried to steal my house, I'd be within my rights to kill them if they refused to go away.

What if they just want to steal your gum? Hubba Bubba?