Affirmative Action Unnecessary? - Page 5

TheMercenary · 03-25-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

I've never seen it spelt that way. I have only seen it spelt 'Siobhan'.

Mercenary, I see your point and I suppose it's a fair one. But....that suggests that the onus of responsibility is on the ethnic population to change who they are, rather than on society (and employers) to stop being racist.

I think it is unfair to ask any ethnic group to change who they are. Than is an impossible and unrealistic expectation IMHO. I would suggest that assimilation and opportunity for future generations is hindered by a desire to exclaim ethnicity through names that few can pronounce and open an individual to an unfair situation. I blame parents. You will never stop society from being racist, that is another pipe dream IMHO. This will never be a utopian society.

Aliantha · 03-25-2007, 05:51 PM

People should name their children whatever the hell they want. For christs sake, it's a fucking name.

It's a parents responsibility to teach a child how to deal with biggots and racists if they happen to have a child with coloured skin or if they choose to give their child a non white name.

I can't believe this is even a topic of conversation.

As to African people having 'white names', I don't suppose anyone thinks they got those names because of missionary influences in their native country? I seriously doubt a tribal woman from africa gave birth and said, "I think I'll name my son John" out of the blue.

Names are names. They say something about who you are and where you come from. Keep your name and your heritage and stand your ground! If everyone just caves in to the biggots of society nothing will ever change.

Trilby · 03-25-2007, 06:35 PM

I think everyone should name their children what ever the hell they want to, too.

Just don't get pissed off when a non-native speaker has trouble with it.

My name is not 'usual' for these parts--neither my first nor my last. I don't get my panties in an uproar when people around here don't 'get' my name. I don't except them to 'get' it. It's a difficult name and I am more than happy to spell and sound it out for them.

If you want to give your child a unique or ethnic name, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

Aliantha · 03-25-2007, 06:38 PM

Exactly. My oldest son has an ordinary sounding name, but the spelling is different because it's the letters of my Nana's name changed to make a boys name. He was named for her, but I couldn't really call my son Edna. The only people I get pissed off at for spelling it incorrectly are close family members who know that he's named for our Nana.

Trilby · 03-25-2007, 06:39 PM

PS--

many of our devoted dwellars simply love a good panty uproar no matter what the reason--I don't judge.

I simply let wedgies be wedgies. I suppose, to some people, a wedgie feels gooooooooood.

TheMercenary · 03-25-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

People should name their children whatever the hell they want. For christs sake, it's a fucking name.

It's a parents responsibility to teach a child how to deal with biggots and racists if they happen to have a child with coloured skin or if they choose to give their child a non white name.

I can't believe this is even a topic of conversation.

As to African people having 'white names', I don't suppose anyone thinks they got those names because of missionary influences in their native country? I seriously doubt a tribal woman from africa gave birth and said, "I think I'll name my son John" out of the blue.

Names are names. They say something about who you are and where you come from. Keep your name and your heritage and stand your ground! If everyone just caves in to the biggots of society nothing will ever change.

Go for it. I say let them have at it. But don't be surprised by the consequences.

Aliantha · 03-25-2007, 07:10 PM

Who's surprised?

Spexxvet · 03-25-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

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My name is not 'usual' for these parts--neither my first nor my last. I don't get my panties in an uproar when people around here don't 'get' my name. I don't except them to 'get' it. It's a difficult name and I am more than happy to spell and sound it out for them.

If you want to give your child a unique or ethnic name, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

Do your job applications get trashed because of your name?

Spexxvet · 03-25-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The point I was making was that by using ethnic names parents are setting their children up for future discrimination by those who File 13 anyone that they don't wish to hire based on skin color.

At least you admit that discrimination exists. Perhaps AA protects these folks from having their applications trashed.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

... I don't have a low opinion of "black people", but I do have a low opinion of anyone who thinks they deserve a handout because of the color of their skin...

Do you have a low opinion of people who don't want suffer discrimination?

TheMercenary · 03-25-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Do you have a low opinion of people who don't want suffer discrimination?

No. And I do not support Affirmative Action. Merit based promotions only.

Spexxvet · 03-25-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

No. And I do not support Affirmative Action. Merit based promotions only.

And yet you admit that it doesn't happen that way. Hmmm...

TheMercenary · 03-25-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

And yet you admit that it doesn't happen that way. Hmmm...

Well of course I admit. Afirmative Action is alive and well in some few remaining places. There are however, a number of places doing away with it and in my opinon, it is long over due for a death.

Aliantha · 03-25-2007, 08:32 PM

I'd give up if I were you Spex.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-25-2007, 08:33 PM

The AA hiring system doesn't bother me near as much as what happens inside the company in the name of cultural diversity. Most medium to large companies already know what your job is and exactly how they want you to perform it. Cultural diversity is a sham, a show, because they don't really want diversity but conformity.

TheMercenary · 03-25-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

I'd give up if I were you Spex.

Good idea, you should quit while I'm ahead.

03-25-2007, 05:51 PM	#62
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	People should name their children whatever the hell they want. For christs sake, it's a fucking name. It's a parents responsibility to teach a child how to deal with biggots and racists if they happen to have a child with coloured skin or if they choose to give their child a non white name. I can't believe this is even a topic of conversation. As to African people having 'white names', I don't suppose anyone thinks they got those names because of missionary influences in their native country? I seriously doubt a tribal woman from africa gave birth and said, "I think I'll name my son John" out of the blue. Names are names. They say something about who you are and where you come from. Keep your name and your heritage and stand your ground! If everyone just caves in to the biggots of society nothing will ever change. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-25-2007, 06:35 PM	#63
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	I think everyone should name their children what ever the hell they want to, too. Just don't get pissed off when a non-native speaker has trouble with it. My name is not 'usual' for these parts--neither my first nor my last. I don't get my panties in an uproar when people around here don't 'get' my name. I don't except them to 'get' it. It's a difficult name and I am more than happy to spell and sound it out for them. If you want to give your child a unique or ethnic name, be prepared to deal with the consequences. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-25-2007, 06:38 PM	#64
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Exactly. My oldest son has an ordinary sounding name, but the spelling is different because it's the letters of my Nana's name changed to make a boys name. He was named for her, but I couldn't really call my son Edna. The only people I get pissed off at for spelling it incorrectly are close family members who know that he's named for our Nana. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-25-2007, 06:39 PM	#65
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	PS-- many of our devoted dwellars simply love a good panty uproar no matter what the reason--I don't judge. I simply let wedgies be wedgies. I suppose, to some people, a wedgie feels gooooooooood. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

03-25-2007, 07:10 PM	#67
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Who's surprised? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-25-2007, 08:32 PM	#73
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I'd give up if I were you Spex. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-25-2007, 08:33 PM	#74
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The AA hiring system doesn't bother me near as much as what happens inside the company in the name of cultural diversity. Most medium to large companies already know what your job is and exactly how they want you to perform it. Cultural diversity is a sham, a show, because they don't really want diversity but conformity. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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