Cure found for cancer?

[Happy Monkey]

No, I think that when a cancer cure is discovered, it will be the results of millions of dollars in research and a difficult and expensive manufacturing process. It will be expensive during the length of its patent, especially because of the large number of current patients who would want it. Eventually it would get cheaper with the introduction of generics and the increase of manufacturing capability.

But I think that because I don't think it is as easy as eating apricot pits. If an easy and cheap cancer cure were proven, there would be plenty of big-money sources that would benefit from its success. "Alternative medicine" isn't a victim of corporate deceit; it is a perpetrator.

[annoyedsas]

Call me a glutton for punishment, but I just had to respond to Pie. "Fuck off and die"? I will gladly continue to stay away from the cellar (apart from the odd line here and there just to get you Americans going again) but die? No sorry, that won't happen because I am bloody healthy and fighting my cancer. By the way, if you all keep on like this, I think you will all be candidates for cancer. And Kim, I wouldn't keep on. This lot slag you off if you don't think like they do. I actually wonder if any of you noted that B17 wasn't the ONLY thing I am doing? It is just a small part of my regimen. If you weren't sitting down to write these threads, your brains might work better if you weren't squashing them. Keep going guys, I'm happy as Larry listening to y'all!!!

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by annoyedsas

Call me a glutton for punishment,

You're a glutton for punishment.

I still think you're a shill for the cyanide--oops--'alternative medicine' company.

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

No, I think that when a cancer cure is discovered, it will be the results of millions of dollars in research and a difficult and expensive manufacturing process. It will be expensive during the length of its patent, especially because of the large number of current patients who would want it. Eventually it would get cheaper with the introduction of generics and the increase of manufacturing capability.

But I think that because I don't think it is as easy as eating apricot pits. If an easy and cheap cancer cure were proven, there would be plenty of big-money sources that would benefit from its success. "Alternative medicine" isn't a victim of corporate deceit; it is a perpetrator.

Just like how aids treatments have gotten so much more available after all this time? Sure, all aids patients world wide are running around like Magic Johnson, right?

[wolf]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Just like how aids treatments have gotten so much more available after all this time? Sure, all aids patients world wide are running around like Magic Johnson, right?

Although I'm not allowed to name names, I know about a dozen people on "The Cocktail" who only have Medicaid.

Originally Posted by wolf

Although I'm not allowed to name names, I know about a dozen people on "The Cocktail" who only have Medicaid.

Do you think The Cocktail is all that Magic gets? Not just that, sure a percentage in the US gets that, but how many and who gets chosen.
How long has it been available, how long did it take?
I'm telling you, I have family that are rich, not just rich, but Rich. Close family. They get treated differently and often get things that others do not.
Do you think that the ultra rich have to wait for laws to change for stem cell research to get stem cell therapy? No, they go to Germany or Brazil and get it, depending on what form they need. Or they get it here and just break the law. Simple.
There is a level of medical treatment that is different than what most get, it is a fact. I have seen the results and heard them discuss it.

[Happy Monkey]

Exactly like that. AIDS treatments are much more available and somewhat cheaper now than they were when Magic got them. Not apricot pit cheap, but cheaper. And the patents haven't even expired yet, so the generics haven't fully entered the field, except in countries that waived the patents for public health purposes.

"Alternative medicine", however, is happy to sell you some tap water to help boost your immune system.

[wolf]

Alternative Medicine is absolutely big business, and likely to get bigger, because it's largely untested, unregulated, and unuseful. Sorry about the neologism, but I was going for the alliteration.

I know someone who has a very aggressive cancer, and instead of pursuing "Nasty Western Medicine" this very dear woman has been going to Mexico and paying $20K up front to spend some time in a hyperbaric chamber. Somehow she even got her boss to fund one of these excursions.

She says she feels great.

Of course she does. You always feel great when you are laying around in an oxygen rich environment. Feels wonderful. You get an excellent sense of well-being from it.

But that's about it, at least with respect to breast cancer that's metastisized to the brain and lymph nodes. Hyperbaric chambers are great for tissue growth after extensive damage to the epidermis, but damn little else.

Despite her feeling good, I honestly doubt she'll make it past November.

I'd love to be wrong.

[Aliantha]

You don't have to believe someone's story to have compassion for them.

[Happy Monkey]

Pretending that a fraud is true isn't compassionate.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Pretending that a fraud is true isn't compassionate.

Well, that may be true, but in this case, I don't think it matters what kind of cure the person is using or how fraudulent it is. If it helps the person beat cancer by believing in it, then good for that person.

I think it's sad that some people have handled their responses here in such an aggressive manner.

Maybe I'm wrong though. Maybe state of mind has nothing to do with getting over anything. Maybe every time someone gets better it can be attributed to something 'scientific'.

Maybe we should all just give up when faced with something that seems too hard.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Well, that may be true, but in this case, I don't think it matters what kind of cure the person is using or how fraudulent it is. If it helps the person beat cancer by believing in it, then good for that person.

I think it's sad that some people have handled their responses here in such an aggressive manner.

Maybe I'm wrong though. Maybe state of mind has nothing to do with getting over anything. Maybe every time someone gets better it can be attributed to something 'scientific'.

Maybe we should all just give up when faced with something that seems too hard.

I realize you're being sarcastic but you know that's silly. Attitude is very important but so is making logical, rational and reasonable choices of treatments.

[annoyedsas]

Are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin. Listen children. Go to www.laetrile.com.au Read, digest, learn then eat humble pie.

Originally posted by Aliantha
Well, that may be true, but in this case, I don't think it matters what kind of cure the person is using or how fraudulent it is. If it helps the person beat cancer by believing in it, then good for that person.

I think it's sad that some people have handled their responses here in such an aggressive manner.

Is it because we are in Australia that we actually respect eachother?

Originaly posted by Kimberly
What regimens are you treating your cancer with?

see thread #33.

Bye y'all

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by annoyedsas

Are you sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin. Listen children. Go to www.laetrile.com.au Read, digest, learn then eat humble pie.

Originally Posted by http://www.laetrile.com.au/

Any information presented in this web site should not be taken as medical advice in any form. A qualified practitioner should always be consulted when seeking treatment for cancer.

Understatement of the year.

If you believe in God the logic of how B17 kills cancer will be easy to accept and understand when you realise that God has given our bodies a natural defense against cancer which is determined by the food or junk we eat in our diet.

So in place of science, they give us testimonials and "God says so", with a bit of evangelism for the 7th Day Adventists.

You're going to need to cook that humble pie for me a bit longer.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I realize you're being sarcastic but you know that's silly. Attitude is very important but so is making logical, rational and reasonable choices of treatments.

The only part of my statement which was even close to sarcastic was the last one. I believe state of mind is the MOST important part of beating any disease whether it's physical, emotional or a mixture of both.

My point is, there's absolutely no point in being defeatist, or in trying to denegrate another person for their choices with regard to their health care.

Until you've personally faced cancer, you have no understanding of how it affects you mentally and physically. You have no concept of the uselessness of 'modern medicine', and obviously no understanding of the lengths you might go to in order to beat the disease - if in fact you are strong enough in will and spirit to fight it rather than submit.

Don't judge another person for their choices until you've had a chance to understand why they've made those choices.