Saddam to Swing - Page 5

Flint · 11-17-2006, 08:57 AM

There is no convenient time to follow one's convictions.
If good turns bad at some point, it has ceased to be good.
That point is where the strength of one's beliefs are determined.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-17-2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Not everybody shares this opinion/follows this rule. Those who don't, are called "murderers" . . .

By those that do. Conversely those that don't share that opinion/follow that rule, call those that do, something else.

Two opposing positions calling each other names, now what? Majority rules? Mob rules? Reason rules?

Nobody can seem to tell me why their side is right other than claimimg moral high ground or being more rational.

Why is it bad to kill a human being?

Flint · 11-17-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Two opposing positions calling each other names, now what?

The murderers vs. the non-murderers? Should I be worried about you?

xoxoxoBruce · 11-17-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

The murderers vs. the non-murderers? Should I be worried about you?

In what? A spelling bee? A bake off? A war?

So your telling me you have decided what side you're on and feel there is no reason to defend your position because it's obviously the right position and anyone who wasn't a murderer could see that?

Flint · 11-17-2006, 11:01 AM

No, I'm not telling you that. I would be wrong if I told you that.

11-17-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

There is no convenient time to follow one's convictions.
If good turns bad at some point, it has ceased to be good.
That point is where the strength of one's beliefs are determined.

True.
Your actions are your ethics and morals.
What/who you say you are means nothing.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-17-2006, 08:08 PM

That's true, but it doesn't make you right.

Urbane Guerrilla · 11-17-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV

How very reactionary of you, UG. I read it. The word "wrongful" doesn't appear in my list of commandments. It's just not there. You can use it as an excuse to kill, as I suspect you must and you may, but you're just making (more) shit up. As usual.

As to wrongfulness, who's to judge? You're waaaay overdue for a plank-check, brother.

The correct translation, V, is You shall do no murder. Wrongful killing. It does not proscribe rightful killing. No wonder you argue with me -- you are valiant in your ignorance.

I, on the other hand, choose to know something whereof I speak.

Flint · 11-17-2006, 10:38 PM

Urbane Guerrilla and BigV sound like Alex from Clockwork Orange, in a verbal altercation with himself. Keep up the good work, guys. Lovin' it.

Aliantha · 11-18-2006, 01:02 AM

Why does it have to have anything to do with what's in the bible? Why can't it just have something to do with what you know is right?

DanaC · 11-18-2006, 07:17 AM

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Why does it have to have anything to do with what's in the bible? Why can't it just have something to do with what you know is right?

Excellent point Ali. Are we so bereft of ability to decipher what's right and what's wrong.....or even more importantly, what's useful and what's counterproductive, that we must needs take our morality from ancient manuscripts?

11-18-2006, 07:39 AM

I am not a Christian and am staunchly against the death penalty (Yes, even when it has been cases where my family have been the victims. People always assume no one has the strength of their convictions.)
I was not raised Christian, so my morals do not stem from the bible either.

The reason people bring Christianity into it so often, IMO, is the inherent hypocrisy of being a Christian and pro-death penalty... especially a "pro-lifer", pro-death penalty "Christian". Just makes no sense at all, particularly when they tend to be the most vocal and bloodthirsty proponents.

"Thou shalt not murder", or "kill" if you want to go with the mistranslation. Then saying they want to murder someone strapped to a chair or bed... yeah, tell me another one. There is no way that that can be translated into self-defense, there is no compassion or forgiveness involved there... nothing of the teachings of Christ apparent, so people see the organizations for what they are.
Pretty simple. I like it.

9th Engineer · 11-18-2006, 02:31 PM

I support the death penalty because I believe that if a person commits an act so hienous, so irreconcilable with our values as cold blooded murder or murder of the helpless, then they forfet their right to get any older.

wolf · 11-18-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Because no one has the right to life or death over another person.

So you're anti-abortion, then?

DanaC · 11-18-2006, 05:10 PM

person...not feotus

11-17-2006, 08:57 AM	#61
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	There is no convenient time to follow one's convictions. If good turns bad at some point, it has ceased to be good. That point is where the strength of one's beliefs are determined. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-17-2006, 11:01 AM	#65
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	No, I'm not telling you that. I would be wrong if I told you that. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-17-2006, 08:08 PM	#67
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That's true, but it doesn't make you right. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-17-2006, 10:38 PM	#69
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Urbane Guerrilla and BigV sound like Alex from Clockwork Orange, in a verbal altercation with himself. Keep up the good work, guys. Lovin' it. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-18-2006, 01:02 AM	#70
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Why does it have to have anything to do with what's in the bible? Why can't it just have something to do with what you know is right? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-18-2006, 07:39 AM	#72
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I am not a Christian and am staunchly against the death penalty (Yes, even when it has been cases where my family have been the victims. People always assume no one has the strength of their convictions.) I was not raised Christian, so my morals do not stem from the bible either. The reason people bring Christianity into it so often, IMO, is the inherent hypocrisy of being a Christian and pro-death penalty... especially a "pro-lifer", pro-death penalty "Christian". Just makes no sense at all, particularly when they tend to be the most vocal and bloodthirsty proponents. "Thou shalt not murder", or "kill" if you want to go with the mistranslation. Then saying they want to murder someone strapped to a chair or bed... yeah, tell me another one. There is no way that that can be translated into self-defense, there is no compassion or forgiveness involved there... nothing of the teachings of Christ apparent, so people see the organizations for what they are. Pretty simple. I like it. Last edited by rkzenrage; 11-18-2006 at 07:43 AM.

11-18-2006, 02:31 PM	#73
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	I support the death penalty because I believe that if a person commits an act so hienous, so irreconcilable with our values as cold blooded murder or murder of the helpless, then they forfet their right to get any older. __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

11-18-2006, 05:10 PM	#75
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	person...not feotus

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