George "Macacawitz" Allen on Guns

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Not the queen of spelling:
I love that age old argument "guns don't kill people, people kill people"
Yeah, with guns. It's much harder to kill someone with rocks and sticks.

And easier yet to do it wholesale with a car or truck. The argument is age-old because the animism that gives rise to demonizing weapons seems perpetual. That an argument is old doesn't speak to its validity; if you would surrender the irrational belief that guns cause violence it wouldn't be necessary to repeat it.

Sorry if you had a problem with my spelling; it looks correct to me. Please bear in mind that in the sentence you quoted, "intent" is not a noun.

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

Sorry if you had a problem with my spelling; it looks correct to me. Please bear in mind that in the sentence you quoted, "intent" is not a noun.

Yepper, you were right, I was wrong on that!

Anyhoo, I do agree that people kill people. I don't anthropomorphize weaponry any more than I do cars or trucks, or this chair my big butt is currently plopped in.

I just think it's harder to kill people if you are armed only with sticks and rocks. I bet those Columbine boys would have had a much lower "success" rate without semi-autos.

Anyway, I can't say anything that you won't refute, or that hasn't been said over and over in this Cellar. So, I'm going to keep the big butt seated and the big mouth shut and go find a funny thread.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

And easier yet to do it wholesale with a car or truck.

Cars and trucks are pretty expensive.

Originally Posted by Chris Rock

“Gun control? We need bullet control! I think every bullet should cost 5,000 dollars. Because if a bullet cost five thousand dollar, we wouldn't have any innocent bystander .”

Hey, that might just work!

[Shawnee123]

I love that Chris Rock bit:

''Man, l would blow your fucking head off,
if l could afford it. l'm gonna get me another job,
l'm gonna start saving some money...and you're a dead man. You better hope
l can't get no bullets on layaway."

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I just think it's harder to kill people if you are armed only with sticks and rocks.

It's harder to live if you have only sticks and rocks. That's why we've made better tools.

[Aliantha]

It's easier to die with better tools.

[JayMcGee]

*yawns*


... still waiting for the 'armed society is a polite society' line......

[Ibby]

There was an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the first 22 months of the war, and 2,112 deaths during that time. That gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers. The firearm death rate in Washington, D.C., is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period. You are about 25 percent more likely to be shot and killed in the U.S. capital, which has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the nation, than you are in Iraq. Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington immediately.

[Aliantha]

lmao

Very good work Ibram

[DanaC]

LoL. excellent.

I heard a really scary statistic. For young black men living in the scarier area of L.A, life expectancy is shorter than if they were on deathrow.

Originally Posted by wolf

No. The right is defined as the right to keep and bear arms. They are linked. Being able to own a pistol does me no good if I need it in the community and it is locked in a cabinet at home.

Agreed, the "increase funding" line is complete bullshit, unless he is talking armed escort for every single person in the park at all times.
This guy has to be on crack.

Originally Posted by DanaC

Yep. Was a fucking long time ago. Dont see how that relates to your current need for small arms.

Also, the need for weapons in everyday life had as much to do with being a frontier nation as with the revolution

Incidentally Urbane, Up until very recently the concept of militia was a strong part of the English consciousness. We held to a militia system for over a thousand years. It was the duty for every freeborn man to hold arms throughout the saxon and medieval period.

My side-arm saved my life several times. You should speak of things you know about.

As far as the Chris Rock bit... I load my own rounds.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Ibram

There was an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq theater of operations during the first 22 months of the war, and 2,112 deaths during that time. That gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.

Bad math there. That gives a death rate of 720 per 100000 per year. Firearm death rate will be less, as a lot of it is done by bombs, but that wasn't provided in your numbers.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by DanaC

How likely is it that someone will need to use their gun?

Do you wear a seatbelt in your car? Everytime, or nearly so? Do you have an accident every time you leave the driveway?

[wolf]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I just think it's harder to kill people if you are armed only with sticks and rocks. I bet those Columbine boys would have had a much lower "success" rate without semi-autos.

They could have used modern revolvers or black powder pistols with the same level of effect, possibly higher level. A "semi-auto" is not a machine gun.

Columbine would have been far worse if the improvised munitions had gone off as intended.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by JayMcGee

*yawns*


... still waiting for the 'armed society is a polite society' line......

Sorry, but the right answers are always the same and thus boring. If you want a constantly changing array of excuses you'll have to listen to the prohibitionist arguments.