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09-30-2003, 10:52 PM | #61 | ||
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well yes, otherwise it is not a fair valuation - right? determined by the market. otherwise someone could have... Quote:
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09-30-2003, 11:12 PM | #62 |
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Well that sounds extremely unfair. I like my house, and I want to live in it. I don't want to sell it at any price. But now I have to pay higher taxes than my mobile neighbor, who sets a low price and simply moves after delaying things for a few months with his uncle who's a real estate lawyer. Now I have to set a higher price than the market in order to stay here, and pay double taxes, even though I'm more valuable to the neighborhood as a long-time landowner.
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10-01-2003, 01:46 AM | #63 | |
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It's actually like this: If I privately own a tract of land, I can do whatever I want within that tract of land. If Joe and I share the tract of land, he can limit my freedoms within that tract of land, because he owns it too. If Joe owns that tract of land entirely, then my freedoms on that tract of land are dependent upon Joe's whim. Private ownership only represents freedom for the person that owns the land. The person that owns the land can oppress the people that live and work on the land (serfs, slaves, employees, what have you). This leads to bitterness, picketing, unions, revolts, and Communism. The poeple that work on the land are going to think that their freedoms will be more respected if they have some ownership of the land. |
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10-01-2003, 01:48 AM | #64 | ||||
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So anyway, I'm reading from the link and start getting nervous as soon as I'm being told about morality. Then I get this. Quote:
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I also find it interesting you invoke god and Ayn Rand together given her views on religion. Did anyone actually read any of her stuff other than the portion that sounded supportive of your veiwpoint? Anyway, I didn't weep, but I did roll my eyes a bit. Now on to the current thread. Quote:
So, we have a second impasse. Even if I believed in the ideals, it still doesn't wash with reality. I'm more interested in what is real than what is fair in some imagined Utopia. So, I'll stay here, in the real world. Have fun with your moral superiority.
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10-01-2003, 08:49 AM | #65 |
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Don't understand this thing with 'the air is free'. Of course the air is free. You can breathe all of mine you want, as long as you do it as an invited guest or from the other side of my property line. You are also welcome to fly over my house any time you'd like, just watch out for the birds and don't disturb the goats. I don't care a bit about the theory that we don't own the land but are only cutodians of it. Screw that theory. I may be just a 'long term renter' but until the day they carry me off this plot feet first, it's mine, and I'm sick of the being subjected to the whims of a bunch of section 8 renters who haven't a clue what they're voting for.
Miss a day on this board and you spend an hour catching up. Maggie M...
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10-01-2003, 08:52 AM | #66 |
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Private ownership only represents freedom for the person that owns the land. The person that owns the land can oppress the people that live and work on the land (serfs, slaves, employees, what have you).
Does this mean my goats are oppressed?????
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10-01-2003, 08:57 AM | #67 | |
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I'm doing just fine putting you into your place far beneath me. For the record I’ve never “choosen” anything. Last edited by Radar; 10-01-2003 at 09:33 AM. |
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10-01-2003, 09:14 AM | #68 |
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I'm starting to feel right proud of my role as 'oppresive landowner'. Let's see, my husband and I worked and saved for three years to come up with a down payment for our house in California. Then he retired from the navy, and thanks to an overinflated real estate market, we made what most liberals, lazy people, and other folks of no background or breeding would consider an obscene profit. Never mind that we had been breaking our backs for the last five years to make double payments to get the mortgage paid down. Anyway, we moved back to Mississippi and with the profits from the sale of our home, was able to pay cash for the land we now own. It's ours, free and clear, but, if we ever fail to make a tax payment, it suddenly becomes the property of the government. Where's the justice in that? Not that I'm complaining about paying taxes, although there is a whole list of things I'd rather do than pay taxes (root canal, ingrown toenail, visit from the in-laws) but I conceed that ALL people should pay SOME taxes, and the less the better.
About a month after we bought this place we got a letter from the tax accessor wanting to know what we were planning on doing with the property. Being one of those people who firmly believe it's none of the governments damned business what I do on my own land, I wrote back we were going to open a nudist colony. Haven't heard from them since, but I have the feeling that some poor beurocrat spent the morning looking up millage fees on nudists colonies. Maggie M... PS: ignore the spelling, I am dyslesic as hell and have always had a problem with spelling. This is sad, a witch who can't spell.
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10-01-2003, 09:31 AM | #69 |
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Increasing taxes on rents CHANGES the market; the new market rate will be higher than the old market rate.
Changing property taxes from land+improvements to land is a great way of screwing over the guy with a less-improved lot. If you're looking for a way to take less from the rich and more from the (relatively) poor, that's a great way to do it. |
10-01-2003, 11:48 AM | #70 | |
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Even so, I totally agree with you. No one ever really owns anything in America, they lease it. This is also true with an increasing number of non-real assets. Many states have an excise tax on cars (though I wouldnt live in any of them...again). |
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10-01-2003, 11:51 AM | #71 | |
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impasse... Is that really all the commentary you can muster here? Simple question: Are the original classical liberals geo-libertarians or neo-libertarians? yes or no? |
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10-01-2003, 12:00 PM | #72 | |
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Turning the tables on that dope Radar...would we not be better off assigning individual, inalienable equal access rights to air as I have suggested? Or to continue supporting Radar's communistic scheme of the "air is free" so dump away and we'll try and stop you by bringing a lawsuit against you? And the survey says Ms. Magpie? (I can't wait for this...) |
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10-01-2003, 12:08 PM | #73 | |
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are you still sticking to the fallacy, without offering any proof to the contrary, that the original classical liberals were neo-libertarians not geo-libertarians? one last chance to redeem your soiled pants & honor sir... Last edited by AdanSmith; 10-01-2003 at 12:11 PM. |
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10-01-2003, 12:27 PM | #74 |
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New Hampshire is a shithole and a perfect place for a retard such as yourself. I can see you having an IQ test at the border to keep people of superior intellect out so we don't rule you.
Your a communist, a liar, and a thief. May you and your ilk rot in hell. The FSP was the last chance for freedom in America without bloodshed and dishonest enemies of freedom such as yourself have fucked it up for everyone. People will now die in a bloody revolution thanks to you. I hope you're happy. |
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See you could have bought the property three years before that if a geo-libertarian policy were in place... Quote:
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