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News flash: ============ Speaker of the House (John Boehner), has put forward compromises to Obama's team (Tim Geitner, etc.), last week. Still, no response of any kind, from the President's team. As Speaker of the House (Republican) said, there is no progress in the negotiations yet, because the President has not put forward anything that he will negotiate. It's obvious that Obama is just letting us sweat to put pressure on the Republicans. Naturally, the Speaker of the House, will cave in a bit, if he's doing the normal thing. He's not a real fighter, AND he does not want to see us go over the fiscal "cliff". Obama knows this, and is using it to get what he wants with no compromising on his part, if possible. So hold onto your wallets, folks. More fun taxes (they call them "revenues" instead), will be taken from you, to support our fat piggy gov't. Last edited by Adak; 12-08-2012 at 08:57 PM. |
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The left wanted single payer. Then they wanted exchanges. Then they got a plan that the Heritage Foundation invented. Oops. They ended up where the right was ten years ago, and the right moved right! yum yum, taste that compromise. (you can't say that because one side wanted "something" and the other wanted "nothing", and "something" happened, that side one didn't compromise at all!) Quote:
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Wait, so, we should put more money into our military, strengthen it, but bring back most of the people out there being our military? That seems like a total contradiction to me. I want to see our military MORE active around the world, liaising with local militaries and having staging areas spread out across our allied nations, while spending less on a standing army at home. That, to me, seems to be the value of our military, in this day and age - diplomacy and cooperation with our friends, both close ones and more tenuous ones. That was kinda fun. NEXT! bring 'em on.
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You can't just take over some odd 20% of the nations economy (the health care system), with something as full of nonsense as Obama care. I loved Nancy Pelosi (former Speaker of the House)'s comments on it: "You don't need to read it - vote on it first, and we'll finish writing it, later". What kind of horse shit thinking is that? Quote:
1) North Korea - has nukes, developing ICBM's, and a crackpot of a dictator. Need I say more? 2) We are providing security for every tanker (almost) that travels through the Straits of Hormuz, because the Iranians have attacked several of them with high speed gunboats. 3) We are still in Afghanistan - another year or two for that. 4) Still guarding Japan, which is in a heated argument with China, over ownership of some islands between the two. 5) Assad in Syria has chemical weapons, and is moving them around. At some point, he's likely to use them, since he is slowly losing the civil war. Guess who will have to step in, if a slaughter is (hopefully), to be avoided? 6) If Iran goes ahead with developing nuclear weapons, or closes the Straits of Hormuz, we will immediately be at war, since nearly 38% of the world's oil passes through those Straits. Yes, we need to keep our military strong, clearly. The UK, for instance, doesn't even have a single full size air craft carrier, for 2013. Quote:
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Oh, China doesn't call their workers "virtual slaves", NO, NO! The workers there have been committing suicide at the Foxconn (Intel motherboards) plant, because they really LIKE their jobs. Nobody likes wars, but what are you going to do when Assad starts using nerve gas on the rebels, from aircraft sprayers (like Chemical Ali did in Iraq)? What are you going to do when Iran stops all the oil going through the Straits, as they have threatened, and attacks our fleet in the Gulf of Persia? I don't believe running away and hiding is a viable option. Quote:
I haven't documented all of my assertions in this thread, because I believe the most basic one, is self-evident. We have sharply increased our spending, and we can't continue to do that, without running the risk of a total fiscal crisis. Which would be much worse than the fiscal "cliff", btw. We CAN and we SHOULD cut our current spending, back to the levels of the Clinton years, and perhaps, increase our tax revenues, as well - and not just on the rich. Problem is, the Democrats won't hear of cutting our current spending, and only want to even TALK about cutting our projected spending, by a small percentage. That won't do the job. It still continues to run up our National Debt, and continually diminish the value of every US dollar, everywhere. This seems like easy to understand, common sense to me. |
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Except that from an international perspective, I'm right, because America sits so far to the authoritarian-right of northern europe and the developed world in general on most issues. right-wing parties in most of europe are economically about where democrats are, and left-wing parties are to the left. Nowhere is this more pronounced than scandinavia and iceland - and nowhere is more successful at proving liberal political theory. Quote:
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This is a fundamental theoretical disagreement between us. I'd rather argue specific policies than universal theories - policies illustrate the importance and truth of the theory, but if it's just you saying "CONSERVATISM!" and me saying "KEYNESIANISM AND SOCIALISM!" we'll get nowhere.
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Busy programming right now, but there's a young man named Zach, who's dying of cancer, who has recorded a nice song with a bit of help, and a bunch of us are trying to give his YouTube song, a BOATLOAD of hits:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDC97j6lfyc Ian on Coast to Coast radio mentioned this Sunday late night, and said Zach has about 8 more weeks to live. Hope you'll consider clicking over to it. |
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@Ibby: There's no doubt the tax system is broken. Small businesses are paying way too much in taxes, while the big corporations have tax attorneys and C.P.A's to advise them of every latest tax avoiding statute, and how to maximize their deductions in every way.
So a company like G.E. for instance, pays nothing, despite millions in what would be taxable income, for less astute tax advisers and planners. The problem is, the politicians need $$$ for their campaigns, so they pay close attention to pander to those lobbyists that are well funded - and then consistently promote and vote for, tax bills that favor those lobbyists - and those bills don't usually "sunset" - they go on and on, year after year. |
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Obama Finds Legal Way Around The 2nd. Amendment and Uses It. The Full Article Here http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...59E0Q920091015
Subject: Obama Takes First Step in Banning All Firearms On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States. This was reported in Reuters, and immediately caused all kinds of rumors to circulate like wildfire. In retrospect, it was apparently a bit of an overstatement by Reuters, and the comment by ex-UN Ambassador Bolton, was also too strong. , but it roused the 2nd amendment defenders, all across the country. Rumors ran on fleet feet, with just enough truth behind them to give them credence. 1) Obama was going to increase the existing 11% excise tax on all ammunition. Ammo would still be legal, but you'd pay dearly to own it. Caused a HUGE run on ammo, and prices soared. 2) Since the WSJ (Wall St. Journal) broke the story in 2009 about the majority of weapons in Mexico, believed to have come from the Southwest States, this rumor stated that Obama was looking to use that as an excuse to restrict right to carry laws, on the Federal level. This was hugely blunted when then news broke that it was Obama's guy Eric Holder over in the Justice Dept., who had initiated all these guns going into Mexico, in a fiasco called "Gun Runner" and also "Fast and Furious". Since it was a line item in the expense report, Obama had to know about it - it was believed. Everything most damning has been stonewalled by Holder, and when demanded by a court to turn them over, Obama stepped in and claimed Executive Privilege, to stop it. It's been on-going for 2 and 1/2 years or so, with Darryl Issa's committee. It seems likely the full truth will never be known. Last edited by Adak; 12-12-2012 at 04:00 AM. |
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Obama is not going to ban all guns in the US...
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I'm going to go put it in a video clip thread. Thanks for sharing it. |
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I enjoyed the video too
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It is reporting on a treaty dealing with illicit international arms trade. ... just one more adekian post. |
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No, he's not.
That has already been decided by the Supreme Court. He can't. What the FEAR was, that he would work with the Senate and approve a treaty that would make it much more difficult (not impossible), to own a gun OR increase the federal excise tax now on ammo, until it just became too expensive for most of us to use our guns. These were two FEARS, that had everyone upset when Obama was first elected. <Thus the 2009 date to the article>. Again, one more time for those burdened by a ho-hum public school education - this was the FEAR, not the fact, that had thousands of NRA members and gun owners, calling the switchboard for their federal politicians. This was in response to Ibby calling "Bullshit". @Lamplighter: The inflammatory editing "Subject: ..."etc., you're referring to was from the article that I was reading - I didn't write it. Yes, it is VERY inflammatory, and that's why it was so alarming, and got such a strong response. I know Ibby, you never noticed it before! Liberals! |
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The "bullshit" was to "he tried". Nobody is denying that lots of stupid people had the FEAR. It's just that the FEAR was in response to right-wing media promoting bullshit.
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Not to mention the NRA itself. If the NRA can get everyone afraid, then it can convince them to send money to the NRA to fight the good fight. Gee, I wonder why the NRA would promote those fears?
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