Do You Own a Gun? - Page 49

piercehawkeye45 · 06-04-2007, 01:07 AM

You guys can't even come up with a counter-point except my grammar and age, and you are calling me immature?

I have more questions for you guys. Why would nature create a right that is intrinsically flawed? You have to kill something else to survive, you can not argue that. Why would nature create that right if you have to break it?

Another question. If we have a right to life why does everyone die? Before you laugh I know that it is usually interpreted as "no one can take your life away from you until nature does". That brings up the contradiction, why would nature make a right that nature always breaks?

Aliantha · 06-04-2007, 01:14 AM

Well you can't mess with the laws of nature pierce. It's part of the great circle of life. (those of you familiar with the lion king wont need any further explanation) The fact that you die has nothing to do with the rights you have when you're alive. Once you're dead you're just worm food, and I doubt worm food has any rights at all, except to be eaten.

If someone kills you then of course they've violated your right. Your right to live.

If you want to know why we all have to die, well, I'd suggest you should probably do a bit of soul searching on that one. Most people ask this question at some stage during their lives.

Aliantha · 06-04-2007, 01:16 AM

Just remember also that the word 'right' has a certain conotation and it's different from one person to another.

Maybe living isn't a 'right' as such. Maybe it's just a 'state of being'. Maybe there really isn't a good answer for any of these questions.

Radar · 06-04-2007, 01:17 AM

You do not have the right to kill another person to survive yourself unless that person is trying to kill you. If you are in a plane crash and there's only enough food for one person to survive, you do not have a right to kill the other person.

I don't even know why I'm wasting my time trying to tell an ignorant kid like you about rights, when you're too dim to even know what they are despite having it spoon fed to you dozens of times in this thread.

We have the right to life. Part of life is dying naturally (which does not include being murdered)

Life is a natural process. Not only do you not understand natural rights, you don't even understand the process of human life. I can't believe you even got into a weak school like the University of Minnesota. You're not even bright enough for community college.

Your lack of age is only partially responsible for your willful ignorance and glaring stupidity.

Aliantha · 06-04-2007, 01:19 AM

Being rude again Radar?

piercehawkeye45 · 06-04-2007, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Well you can't mess with the laws of nature pierce. It's part of the great circle of life. (those of you familiar with the lion king wont need any further explanation) The fact that you die has nothing to do with the rights you have when you're alive. Once you're dead you're just worm food, and I doubt worm food has any rights at all, except to be eaten.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not but to become worm food you have to have your rights violated in the first place. If you do not have your rights violated then the worms starve and have their rights violated.

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If you want to know why we all have to die, well, I'd suggest you should probably do a bit of soul searching on that one. Most people ask this question at some stage during their lives.

I was not getting into that, it was only an example.

Aliantha · 06-04-2007, 01:21 AM

I was not being sarcastic. Everyone dies. That's just part of life.

Radar · 06-04-2007, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Being rude again Radar?

Only to those who richly deserve it and who have done all they can to earn it.

Aliantha · 06-04-2007, 01:27 AM

What's the point? It only makes them feel bad (if they need some kind of validation from you). Does it make you feel good?

piercehawkeye45 · 06-04-2007, 01:38 AM

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You do not have the right to kill another person to survive yourself unless that person is trying to kill you.

That works only for humans, and this right has to either apply to every animal or no animals to be universal.

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If you are in a plane crash and there's only enough food for one person to survive, you do not have a right to kill the other person.

I agree with this except the natural right part, we made that up.

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I don't even know why I'm wasting my time trying to tell an ignorant kid like you about rights, when you're too dim to even know what they are despite having it spoon fed to you dozens of times in this thread.

Umm….I was spoon fed this since I was three and throughout my school years. I, with many other people, just don’t buy into it and see the contradiction with it.

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We have the right to life. Part of life is dying naturally (which does not include being murdered)

This is a good point that you have finally brought up. This I agree with (except the natural vs. man-mad right thing). Like I said, this right has to apply to every animal or no animals for it to be universal, and you have to kill other animals to survive, which contradicts the right.

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Life is a natural process. Not only do you not understand natural rights, you don't even understand the process of human life.

I understand it, I just find it funny that we say only nature can take away our natural right to life. I see what your point is though, nature taking away our life is part of the natural life cycle.

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I can't believe you even got into a weak school like the University of Minnesota. You're not even bright enough for community college.

I know, and I’m actually doing pretty well too. This is all going into civil engineering which is a very tough major.

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Your lack of age is only partially responsible for your willful ignorance and glaring stupidity.

Pulling out the age card again? But I forgot everyone that disagrees with you is a liar and an idiot.

piercehawkeye45 · 06-04-2007, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar

Only to those who richly deserve it and who have done all they can to earn it.

Ah, thank you for showing me how your personal perspective is universal. Anyone that Radar thinks deserves punishment must deserve punishment.

Why doesn't everyone agree with Radar because he surely knows how everyone should run their lives.

Spexxvet · 06-04-2007, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Being rude again Radar?

It's all he knows. He obviously doesn't know shit about rights.

Happy Monkey · 06-04-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

"Now before we can sell you this SUV, we need to see if you can drive it, please come this way..."

A driving course on every car lot? Why would they do it?

lumberjim · 06-04-2007, 12:37 PM

i'd settle for intercom systems that would allow us to dial up and bitch out the jerk in front of you that just ran a stop sign to pull out in front of you.... telephone number= lic plate ? something.

Spexxvet · 06-04-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

i'd settle for intercom systems that would allow us to dial up and bitch out the jerk in front of you that just ran a stop sign to pull out in front of you.... telephone number= lic plate ? something.

Isn't that what your gun is for???

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06-04-2007, 01:14 AM	#722
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well you can't mess with the laws of nature pierce. It's part of the great circle of life. (those of you familiar with the lion king wont need any further explanation) The fact that you die has nothing to do with the rights you have when you're alive. Once you're dead you're just worm food, and I doubt worm food has any rights at all, except to be eaten. If someone kills you then of course they've violated your right. Your right to live. If you want to know why we all have to die, well, I'd suggest you should probably do a bit of soul searching on that one. Most people ask this question at some stage during their lives. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-04-2007, 01:16 AM	#723
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Just remember also that the word 'right' has a certain conotation and it's different from one person to another. Maybe living isn't a 'right' as such. Maybe it's just a 'state of being'. Maybe there really isn't a good answer for any of these questions. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-04-2007, 01:17 AM	#724
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	You do not have the right to kill another person to survive yourself unless that person is trying to kill you. If you are in a plane crash and there's only enough food for one person to survive, you do not have a right to kill the other person. I don't even know why I'm wasting my time trying to tell an ignorant kid like you about rights, when you're too dim to even know what they are despite having it spoon fed to you dozens of times in this thread. We have the right to life. Part of life is dying naturally (which does not include being murdered) Life is a natural process. Not only do you not understand natural rights, you don't even understand the process of human life. I can't believe you even got into a weak school like the University of Minnesota. You're not even bright enough for community college. Your lack of age is only partially responsible for your willful ignorance and glaring stupidity. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

06-04-2007, 01:19 AM	#725
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Being rude again Radar? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-04-2007, 01:07 AM	#721
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	You guys can't even come up with a counter-point except my grammar and age, and you are calling me immature? I have more questions for you guys. Why would nature create a right that is intrinsically flawed? You have to kill something else to survive, you can not argue that. Why would nature create that right if you have to break it? Another question. If we have a right to life why does everyone die? Before you laugh I know that it is usually interpreted as "no one can take your life away from you until nature does". That brings up the contradiction, why would nature make a right that nature always breaks?

06-04-2007, 01:21 AM	#727
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I was not being sarcastic. Everyone dies. That's just part of life. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-04-2007, 01:27 AM	#729
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	What's the point? It only makes them feel bad (if they need some kind of validation from you). Does it make you feel good? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

06-04-2007, 12:37 PM	#734
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	i'd settle for intercom systems that would allow us to dial up and bitch out the jerk in front of you that just ran a stop sign to pull out in front of you.... telephone number= lic plate ? something.

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