Global warming? - Page 42

Happy Monkey · 08-31-2010, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Evidence that contradicts the ruling belief system is held to extraordinary standards, while evidence that entrenches it is uncritically accepted. -Carl Sagan

Ruling belief system: global warming is a hoax.
Extraordinary standards: 100% of all scientists (and people who can be quoted as if they were scientists) must agree, or there isn't consensus.
Uncritically accepted: the occasional study that can be (sometimes mis)interpreted as casting doubt.

classicman · 09-01-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Ruling belief system: global warming is a hoax.

This part is backwards.

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Extraordinary standards: 100% of all scientists (and people who can be quoted as if they were scientists) must agree, or there isn't consensus.
Uncritically accepted: the occasional study that can be (sometimes mis)interpreted as casting doubt.

This part is filled with personal bias.
Who said 100% must equal consensus?
Occasional study...
mis)interpreted ...

You missed the part where the raw data is still being questioned as well.

My OPINION - You are in the "ruling belief system" not the other way around.

My personal position on this issue has been posted before, but it has become all to common for the same tired info to be posted without the opposing point of views. If we don't look at all the info we wont have many worthwhile discussions.

Happy Monkey · 09-01-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

Attacking the science is the correct approach.
Attacking the believers, on either side, is not.

I'm discussing the attitude described by the Sagan quote. It applies to people on both sides, but when it comes to "extraordinary standards" required, it is extremely lopsided.

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Originally Posted by classicman

This part is backwards.

Not among the deniers.

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Who said 100% must equal consensus?

Anyone who says that there isn't consensus now. If it isn't enough that almost all climatologists agree, I can only conclude that 100% is required.

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Occasional study that can be (sometimes mis)interpreted ...

What's wrong with that? Most studies support it, so the others are, comparatively, occasional. And sometimes (a word you missed) some aspect of a study that supports it is siezed on to imply that the study opposes it.

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My OPINION - You are in the "ruling belief system" not the other way around.

There are different "ruling opinions" in different communities. I was saying that the "extraordinary standards" required by the deniers are ridiculously high.

classicman · 08-31-2010, 10:58 PM

you got it backwards ...

Happy Monkey · 09-01-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman

you got it backwards ...

In what respect?

The extraordinary standard that the global warming deniers are using is that no matter how lopsided the evidence is, it's not conclusive as long as they can find someone (preferably with a PhD) to deny it.

What extraordinary standard are opposing studies held up to? Sure, they will be scrutinized more; Sagan had human nature correct. But any extraordinary standard in the scientific community pales in comparison to that which the deniers use.

Spexxvet · 09-01-2010, 12:02 PM

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With scientific data piling up showing that the world has reached its hottest-ever point in recorded history, global-warming skeptics are facing a high-profile defection from their ranks. Bjorn Lomborg, author of the influential tract "The Skeptical Environmentalist," has reversed course on the urgency of global warming, and is now calling for action on "a challenge humanity must confront."

link

toranokaze · 09-01-2010, 05:06 AM

Classic what does CO2 do in the atmosphere?

Lamplighter · 09-01-2010, 11:00 AM

Global warming post of the Beast

classicman · 09-01-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Global warming post of the Beast

You calling me a beast? Hardly...

Lamplighter · 09-01-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

You calling me a beast? Hardly...

No, not at all.
No evil intended.

It was the posting number on this thread.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-01-2010, 12:37 PM

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With scientific data piling up showing that the world has reached its hottest-ever point in recorded history, global-warming skeptics are facing a high-profile defection from their ranks.

Is there really a question that it's warming up? After all, it's been warming up for the last 12,000 years.

I thought the questions are;
Why?
How hot will it get?
How much of it is our fault?
Can we really do much about it?
Is the massive expense worth any effect we can produce?

I think one of the biggest problems is the whole thing has been distilled down to two sides, with their abbreviated slogans/sound bites. Fer us or agin us, with no discussion of the elements.

One example is CO2, everything is about CO2. Well I'm sorry but it's a hell of a lot more complicated than that. We had a real long thread that talked about the many facets. But since all that doesn't fit in a slogan, fergitaboutit.

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What does CO2 do in the atmosphere?

It keeps me from getting Oxygen poisoning.

Shawnee123 · 09-01-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by toranokaze

Classic what does CO2 do in the atmosphere?

classicman · 09-01-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by toranokaze

Classic what does CO2 do in the atmosphere?

How technical an answer do you want?

toranokaze · 09-01-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

How technical an answer do you want?

Technical affluent , under 5000 words, 20 sources max.

Raw data would be appreciated.

classicman · 09-01-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by toranokaze

Technical affluent , under 5000 words, 20 sources max.

Raw data would be appreciated.

Thought so - been working on it all day hoping that would be your answer.

here is your answer.

You're welcome

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toranokaze I'm still a jerk Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Little Mexico Posts: 1,817	Classic what does CO2 do in the atmosphere? __________________ "Without deviation from the norm progress is not possible." - Frank Zappa It is the ignorance of ignorance that lead to the death of knowledge The Virgin Mary does not weep for her son, for he is in paradise. She weeps for the world , for we are in suffering.

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