Life under GWB

[xoxoxoBruce]

I didn't say $50k was chump change.
We're talking about life under Bush which is not the 80s.
You're in CA, right?
Flash your ass at your own risk.
What you call an "unfair generalization" is my opinion, go back and read the fucking post.
I called nothing a fact so work on your reading comprehension while your at it.
I retract nothing. :p

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Ladies please, compare the attitudes of the guy making $50k to the guy making $300k. Or the guy with real clout making a million. California chicks never cease to amaze me. Retraction of what? My opinion? Get real.

You are asking us to compare attitudes of people in different income brackets. In other words, you wish us to make a generalization as to what their attitudes might be. I think you're splitting hairs on this one, Bruce.

[xoxoxoBruce]

No, I want you to get out of your microcosm and find out what the rest of the population think.
Birds of a feather flock together and haven't a clue what the other flockers think.
UT gave you the data but you say it shouldn't be that way. That's your opinion but obviously the polls show the public doesn't agree with you.
Fine, you're entitled to your view but don't try to represent it as the majority view. You may be the voice of reason or the cry in the wilderness but in the end, you are just you.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

At least this poll wasn't too screwed up to include an answer I could give, unlike that other one. This one actually shows a poll methodology, rather than foregone conclusions.

[Undertoad]

According to this collection of polling data, the environment is not top-ten for most people.

Originally Posted by Undertoad

According to this collection of polling data, the environment is not top-ten for most people.

Which is not to say it shouldn't be. As someone with a degree in biology/ecology as well as being a person who grew up in the Rocky Mountain West, I see disturbing signs of environmental degredation everywhere. The birds coming home to roost will be ones that NONE of us are going to be fond of.


However, my point was not about the environment's popularity as an issue, I was merely using it as one example of concerns that people who are NOT poor have about the impact of Junior's administration.

[busterb]

My quality of life has deteriorated under GWB, because of Katrina and the great COL. increase upcoming for next year. BTW I don't belive he's in the drivers seat anyway. WTF!

[lumberjim]

well, for starters, his son doesn't whine incessantly on a message board that i frequent. And, I like Spode.

Am I snobby to admit that I have a college degree?

admit? interesting choice of words. no, if it was an admission, someone else would have had to bring it up repeatedly, right? when you do it, it's self promotion.

And. I didn't say I read your posts. i said i accidentally read ONE of your posts. I must have forgotten to look at the author, and as it was a relatively short one, i was through it before I realized what I was doing.


cock.

Originally Posted by lumberjim

And. I didn't say I read your posts. i said i accidentally read ONE of your posts. I must have forgotten to look at the author, and as it was a relatively short one, i was through it before I realized what I was doing.


cock.

Well, young man, see that you don't make that mistake again!

cock

[Elspode]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

well, for starters, his son doesn't whine incessantly on a message board that i frequent. And, I like Spode.

I'll try to watch the whining on my son's behalf lest I offend.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Hey, I'm open, Brurce. I actually tried to find data that gave a breakdown of attitudes and concerns by the income brackets you mentioned, but couldn't find one. So where's your cite on that? I'd be honestly curious to see it.

Stop acting the librarian and talk to people, better yet shut up and listen to people, outside your social circle.

Originally Posted by Bruce

Disagree. What I see is economic strata has a large bearing on the individuals view of those subjects.
There are, of course, exceptions. But I don't think it's an unfair generalization.

Cites? Do you see one thing in that entire post that's stated as anything other than opinion from personal experience? One stated "fact"?

Do you hear a hew and cry from ANY economic strata other than the environmentalists that make it their preoccupation if not occupation?
GWB has given us plenty of serious shit to worry about, very scary stuff, and the bunnies have taken a back seat.
Like it or not that's reality....or should I say priority.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Stop acting the librarian and talk to people, better yet shut up and listen to people, outside your social circle.

How does one talk to people outside one's social circle, Bruce? What? Should I go to an upscale neighborhood and start knocking on doors and invite whoever answers to have an informal rap session with me? As a matter of fact, I do have an acquaintance who is a millionaire. She mostly talked about her problems finding a good nanny and how her husband refused to accomodate his work schedule to her afternoon jogging routine. Pretty shallow, all in all, but I'd hardly extrapolate from her to millionaire's in general. I'm sure that some have found excellent nannies for their children.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Cites? Do you see one thing in that entire post that's stated as anything other than opinion from personal experience? One stated "fact"?

Well, I don't know what post you are thinking of, but my question was in direct responses to this:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Ladies please, compare the attitudes of the guy making $50k to the guy making $300k. Or the guy with real clout making a million.

I'm sorry my social circle isn't wide enough for your liking, Bruce. I have the one millionaire passing acquaintance; I know a number of people whose income is probably around $50K, and, offhand, I can't think of anyone I know to really speak to in the $300K bracket. Maybe you'd like to invite me to your next poker party, so I can broaden my horizons.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Do you hear a hew and cry from ANY economic strata other than the environmentalists that make it their preoccupation if not occupation?
GWB has given us plenty of serious shit to worry about, very scary stuff, and the bunnies have taken a back seat.
Like it or not that's reality....or should I say priority.

Way back a thousand posts ago, this was my answer to the the question in the OP:

We have lost civil liberties, environmental safeguards have been cut back or discarded completely, spending on the country's infra-structure has been disregarded in favor of spending on an unneccessary foreign war that takes more American and other human lives every day, fewer people have access to medical care, more children are homeless - the list goes on ad nauseum.

I agree that this country faces many grave issues of which the environment is only one, and that environmental concerns may not be as much a priority to other people as they are to me. I picked environment out of the list as an example of something that people on "entitlements" probably wouldn't be so concerned about - that's all.

I am more worried about the war in Iraq, the economy, and the loss of civil liberties than I am the environment, anyhow. I think things won't go to hell environmentally for another 30 -50 years, at which point, I'll most likely be dead and buried, and since I don't have any children, my concern for the environment is rather abstract, at best.

I leave it to the young 'uns to worry about the bunnies coming home to roost.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

GWB has given us plenty of serious shit to worry about, very scary stuff, and the bunnies have taken a back seat.
Like it or not that's reality....or should I say priority.

Unfortunately, it's not just bunnies. I'm not going to talk about endangered species, but rather public safety and economics.


Pollution is a threat to both. It can affect health and mental development. Lead, for example, was once considered necessary as a gasoline additive. It was found that a) it was harmful to people, especially children, and b) it wasn't really necessary. As a result we no longer have leaded gasoline.

Now if we had a sufficiently, pro-business president back in the early 1970's, one who listened to industry lobbyists and ignored the public welfare, we would all still be using leaded gasoline.

Allowing the poisoning of the air or water for short-term corporate gain is an act of terrorism. It is no different than allowing a terrorist to poison a reservoir or grain silo.

It is also short-sighted. For every dollar saved by polluting, the cost of eventual cleanup will be ten or even a hundred times that amount. Consider what happens if you pour a cup of soda onto your lawn and then attempt to recover all of the soda. You would have to dig 3 or 4 shovelfuls of dirt to be sure that you recovered all of it. Multiply that by a billion or more.

It's bad enough that we are saddling our future generations with a national debt. Forcing them to clean up our environmental mess, especially after acknowledging the issue back in the 70's, is reprehensible.

[xoxoxoBruce]

It is also short-sighted. For every dollar saved by polluting, the cost of eventual cleanup will be ten or even a hundred times that amount.

Yes but if I'm saving the dollar and you are paying for the cleanup, there's less incentive.

I agree with your entire post, Rich, but when times are as stressfull, as they are now, people arrange their priorities around their worry list now.
The environment always slips down the list because it's the future.
Personally I worry about the environment, always have, but I'm being realistic about the majority of the people. Just watching someone walk down the street eating and dropping the wrapper on the ground tells me something about their priorities.

[lumberjim]

OH SHIT. i'm up to three now. man, it;s insidious