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lobber of scimitars
Join Date: Jul 2001
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Read? I only know how to write.
Join Date: Jan 2001
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Apparently you are reading much reactionary propaganda that conveniently forgets some facts; so that you will get all excited. Truth was not the purpose of those publications you are reading. If you get more excited, then they can manipulate you politically as well as sell you more of their nonsense propaganda sheets. Hype is routinely used to manipulate weak minds; which is why mental weight training is so essential to a strong America. Learn how those half-truth publication have you deceived. Illegal immigrants are no different from the legal immigrants of years past. Just that some power brokers prefer to keep immigrants as second class residents using hype, fear, half-truths, government subsidized - corporate welfare, and immigration laws that don't address the problem. Do you also believe prohibtion of alcohol was successful? After all, prohibition, just like our immigration laws, simply creates increases in crimes (often by non-immigrants). Did that article forget to mention all the unfair trading practices to enrich US Sugar? Did it mention how US Sugar then needs those immigrants to be illegal so as to keep their costs down? Why did those articles forget to mention that part? Last edited by tw; 08-31-2005 at 03:13 PM. |
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Join Date: Mar 2003
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Here's the thing:
My best friend's fiancee, from Croatia, had to pay money and have no less than 12 documents, two of which were from me, promising support and vouching for him while he was here. He came to America and received a 6 month tourist Visa. As Radar can attest, getting a person into the United States legally is expensive, time consuming, and red-tape deluged. If Hrvoje works right now, he will be immediately deported. The government will not give him a green card, making him a "legal" and eligible to work. And personally, if someone willing to work after jumping through all those hoops to get here can't, then I don't think illegals should either. Which sounds like something from the department of redundancy department, I know, and I'm not articulating this correctly, (I'm at work and rushed and my chain of thought is broken by dumb custo"moo"rs)... but it's not right that we let the illegasl stay and get special tax numbers and go to school and such when other people who are trying to be law abiding people can't even get here. It really makes me mad.
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lurkin old school
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Minnesota
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Get Hrvoje married here on his tourist visa and pay more money to apply to live in US as a couple (its at least $250 and more papers). With temp residence status he can start working right now, wait a few years, go through the proof of bonafide marriage review, pay more then get the coveted green card. That is unless this is a same sex couple. Then youre outta luck.
PS Its a lot easier to enter the US when they dont think you are coming here to marry. And its still the tourist visa. So reveal the fiance part at your own risk. That can add 3 or more months to the wait and require that proof of support. Last edited by warch; 08-31-2005 at 05:42 PM. |
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Junior Master Dwellar
Join Date: Mar 2003
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they can't get married until her divorce is final (it's been languishing for 3 years now in an arizona court, and there is nothing she can do to move it along, because she signed papers while she was in croatia. she can file for a NC divorce once she becomes a resident, in november. hrvoje has to leave in dec unless they get him an extension.)
the good news is that she had the baby (named him after me!!) and he is the father on the birth certificate, so since he is the immediate parent of the child, he is going to apply for a working visa and then citizenship. but my point was how freaking hard it was to get him here, and illegals pour across the border and get medical and welfare and school and all kinds of crap, whereas while he is here, *I* can't even get that stuff, and if I even apply, he gets deported. still mad. ![]()
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lurkin old school
Join Date: Oct 2001
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He's here, he should apply for the temp residence/work visa ASAP, yesterday. If he has to leave it will be months to get back in legally, even if married.
I think you maybe romanticizing the amount of perks, the "all kinds of crap" garnered by illegal immigrants. I belive they also risk deportation as illegals, its just less of a hike, so it's less of a hassle I suppose. Also, there's the messy business of kids caught in it. As for "get medical"...I dont think your fella would be turned away from the emergency room, either. And if he was 8, I bet he could get a seat in the local public school, at least for a while. if he had his shots. |
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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To the Ooh Oohs
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"Oooh, he said something with soldier in Iraq in it! He should just quit or say he is queer..ooooh, ooooh, let me write this down!" "Oooh, Oooh, his signature is a quote from Hitler, he must be a Nazi, ooh, ooh."
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The CIA faked my death
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Perhaps you can show what a tough guy you are by breaking a nice little old misunderstood tyrant out of US confinement. Or where you talking about something else, like fucking a spider monkey in the ass? |
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Or where you talking about something else, like fucking a spider monkey in the ass?[/quote]
No, Saddam. I never touched your mother.
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still says videotape
Join Date: Feb 2001
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It strikes me as odd that someone who is occupying a foreign country is complaining about illegal immigrants. Sorry, I'm weird that way.
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I can hear my ears
Join Date: Oct 2003
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hey new guy: quit being a dick.
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I can hear my ears
Join Date: Oct 2003
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i think at this point that the real topic of this thread is that NG is a dick. we've all already talked about immigration. I'm more interested in why this condescending fuck thinks it's ok to introduce himself ass first. Do you make a prick of yourself when you meet folks in person?
The sarcasm and tone are setting off my BSometer. I was thinking that it smacked of yet another iteration of multichiko when lo, she replies to him in the middle of the night. could we check the IP?
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