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01-22-2005, 01:26 PM | #46 | |
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01-23-2005, 12:00 AM | #47 |
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We should not forget the US attacked Saddam because Saddam was a terrorist. Now that the terrorism argument is becoming thread bare even among the George Jr supporters, we now have a new spin. The War on Tyranny.
Most notable are the questions being asked by the BBC. The spin doctors are now planning the spin on Iran. Remember the list. The US announced intentions to attack Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. Apparently we are actively sending special forces into Iran to identify targets. Based upon base construction and troop movements, this invasion would happen on or after 2006. If you were Iran, what would you be doing? Building every weapon of mass destructions possible. Unfortunately, this just plays into the spin doctors plans. They will claim we had to invade Iran because they are building WMDs. Why is India and Pakistan exempt? That's what spin is all about. Forget the inconsistencies. Iran is a threat to the United States. We now call it a War against Tyranny. New words. Same old spin - that works. |
01-23-2005, 09:16 AM | #48 |
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Cat, I have heard this argument applied over and over again and I still don't get it, please clarify: "If the US doesn't apply humanitarian principles to every single conflict in the world then it is not applying them in Iraq." How does this follow?
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01-23-2005, 09:21 AM | #49 | |
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Cat, what if they did give different reasons before the war and you weren't listening? edit to say: my point all along, starting from before you got here, has been if you want to hate Bush and the neocons, hate them for the right reasons.
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01-23-2005, 11:21 AM | #50 | |
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01-23-2005, 04:02 PM | #51 |
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The Arab intellectuals will have AK-47s.
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01-23-2005, 04:24 PM | #52 | |
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Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE!I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama |
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01-23-2005, 06:59 PM | #53 | |
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01-23-2005, 10:28 PM | #54 | |
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Hell, I have no problem with ANY country having a democracy, if that's what their people want. Even the US can have a democracy for all I care, although Bush seems to disagree with me. The example of Germany becoming democratic is a little disingenuous. Germany WAS a democracy before Hitler used a combination of fear and brute force to turn it into a dictatorship.
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01-30-2005, 09:55 AM | #55 | |
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01-30-2005, 10:05 AM | #56 |
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Personally I'd say around a 1/3 or so. The problem is that 1/3 could be pratically every shia and no sunnis...
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01-30-2005, 10:26 AM | #57 |
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UT, how can you be sure a high or low turnout is indicative of the Iraquis desire for democracy? Can’t there be other scenarios playing out?
For instance: 1-The Iraquis have been forced into a position where they have to participate in the process or the US will remain and the violence will continue to kill innocent bystanders. 2-The Iraquis have been forced to vote for the representation they want in order to prevent being ruled by the people the US chose. 3-The Iraquis have been brainwashed into believing that if they vote suddenly everything will be OK. 4-A hundred other scenarios stemming from personal experiences. You may be right.....but I’m leery of such an over simplification.
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01-30-2005, 11:47 AM | #58 | |
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Just ask 'em! buzzmachine has a summary of the reaction on Iraqi blogs.
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01-30-2005, 11:50 AM | #59 | |
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http://messopotamian.blogspot.com/
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01-30-2005, 11:58 AM | #60 | |
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http://hammorabi.blogspot.com/2005/0...raq-great.html
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