Less is More

[Undertoad]

By the way, here's the detail for the last six months on Google adwords.

Campaign #4 Paused [ $2.00 / day ] 2,259 1,561,983 0.1% $0.05 $111.05

Campaign #3 Paused [ $1.00 / day ] 773 1,194,188 0.0% $0.12 $96.19

First column 2259 is number of actual clickthroughs
Second 1561983 is number of impressions
0.1% is clickthrough rate
$.05 is price per clickthrough
$111.05 is cost of campaign

I think campaign #3 was buying Google words "intelligent people" "interesting people"

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by jaguar
As for ads, I noticed UT has stayed out of this, I assume he follows a policy that new blood will always replenish the forums with new ideas and perspectives, I'm not so sure that works so well but that's his choice, it's his board.

And that is exactly what I'm going to go by. I have always been more partial to what the owner of the board says is appropriate. And since it's my understanding that there are no "written-in-stone" rules on how to post and what to post, then I would think that new members (hell, and old ones too) would take the board in various directions, even one that some posters do not like.

Like Syc said, this board has been around for 14 years (!!!), and changes are bound to happen. We have "only" been here for 3 of those 14 years, so I can imagine was this board was like 5, 10 years ago.

lookout123 wrote:

"the things that are worthwhile and important are easy to see and read. the rest is just friendship (as much as can happen online). it sounds to me like it is just another way to make it clear that you feel intellectually superior to the common folk who like to treat this as a conversation instead of a place to post carefully edited theses."

Good point. When I first came here, I thought that I wasn't "good enough" to be here. Everyone seemed so well read and highly educated and quite honestly, I felt a bit intimidated. I felt that I had to "step up my game" here. I don't have a college degree, but most of what I know came from various experiences and living life, pure and simple. And what I've found is that people can have all the degrees, education and smarts in the world but that they can still sound like the dumbest person alive.

Basically, I have an average IQ (120's) and I take that to mean that I am an average person, and for the most part, my responses to things are probably going to be...average. It has worked in pretty much every other avenue in my life, and it should be good enough here.

jaguar wrote:

"Where the fuck did superiority come into this? Talk about a goddamn straw man. I must have been sleeptyping when I said we should all have gold stars next to our names in order of rank. Etiquette is about behaving in an appropriate manner."

Well, sometimes it's about perceived intent rather than the actual words. The "tone" came across to some as somewhat...well, superior. Plus, I've noticed over the last 5 years that I've been on the net that "etiquette" has taken on various meanings to some people. Some thing that top posting in a newsgroup is "understood" to be "improper", but some people will do it anyway, for whatever reason. Since newsgroups as a whole are NOT moderated by anyone, I say all bets are off as far as how someone is "supposed" to post, but many will still chastise that poster for doing something so "heinous".

In addition, sometimes a conversation just.can't.stay.focused. It may indeed veer off into some kind of dribble, and then that's a sign that the coversation may bloody well be over with. Oh well, it happens. *shrugs*

You also said that there is a time and a place for everything. What exactly do you mean? That anything considered "chatty" should be banished? If so, then who is to determine what is "chatty"? That anyone who is "average" or below average should not post? Just some questions.

I see by your replys that you seem angry by the responses. Did you really think that some would just accept what you were saying without *some* debate and maybe even some attitude? And now I see that you are going to just poof go away and not try to turn the ship 'round. Well ok then. Your choice.

I leave this with a comment that Beestie said so well:
"One must become engaged. Much easier to fuss about it from a sterile distance."

[LabRat]

OK, now i'm upset. i lurked here for so long because there were some good discussions due to 'giants' calling out for proof of facts, reasons behind opinions etc. it taught me to think before i post as well as check my facts before i open my big mouth. it also taught me that it would be painfully obvious if i didn't. now i feel confident enough that i decide to start posting, and some of those that i would have enjoyed intellegent debates/discussions with are jumping ship. i agree the aprils out there are annoying and bring this place down a bit but like in 'real life' if you just ignore them they go away on their own. every open sandbox gets a little catshit in it once-in-awhile.

[Griff]

I kinda torn on this, the cellar is only a reflection of what we each put into it. I was real close to bagging it, maybe six months ago. We haven't had a really powerful thread here in a long time, no lightbulb moments just the usual left /right rhetoric. I know, I have not brought anything to the table lately, that is certain. When we come back around in the fall, I suspect we won't recognize the joint. But that's probably ok.

[lookout123]

Originally posted by LabRat
now i feel confident enough that i decide to start posting, and some of those that i would have enjoyed intellegent debates/discussions with are jumping ship.

don't worry. at most, jag will be gone for a couple of days. pretty quickly some event will occur that will cause jag to make a few more jabs at america and everything will be back to normal.
this has been kind of fun. i haven't seen any real go-arounds in the cellar for awhile.

another thing you will figure out is that there are 1 or 2 (dozen) people that enjoy trying to push buttons.

[dar512]

Originally posted by ladysycamore

Basically, I have an average IQ (120's) and I take that to mean that I am an average person, and for the most part, my responses to things are probably going to be...average. It has worked in pretty much every other avenue in my life, and it should be good enough here.

Don't be so modest, LadyS. 120 is well above average. See this page.

[SteveDallas]

Originally posted by LabRat
some good discussions due to 'giants' calling out for proof of facts, reasons behind opinions etc.

Well you're the second person (at least) to mention the "giants". And I'll tell you, as far as I'm concerned, the "giants" don't exist. You could have called out for verification or held somebody's feet to the fire about elucidating their opinions just as much as anybody else could. Any newcomer who walks in off the street (so to speak) has just as much of a chance of posting something interesting or entertaining as any of the rest of us. And as we have seen, anybody who is considered an old-timer or a fixture can just as easily get the hell out of dodge, for reasons the rest of us may or may not consider warranted, and be gone overnight. So, my advice is to get over any feeling you may have that there is some uber-class of Cellar Dwellars, and just say what you've got to say.

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by dar512
Don't be so modest, LadyS. 120 is well above average. See this page.

*sniff* Ok, I feel better now:

*120-129 Superior 6.7% of the population.
*120: School Teachers; Pharmacists; Accountants; Nurses; Stenographers; Managers.

Heh, well I *do* "manage" a website and chatroom. :p

"An IQ of 120 therefore implies that the testee is brighter than about 91% of the population, while 130 puts a person ahead of 98% of people. A person with an IQ of 80 is brighter than only 9% of people, and only a few score less than 60."

Thanks dar12.

*still smarter than the average bear...*

[xoxoxoBruce]

God damn, these johnny-come-lately-shit-stirrer-uppers, got nothing on you, Hubris Boy.

Nobodies going anywhere, 'cause I locked the door.
Now everybody take your clothes off and let's get right to the make up sex.

[blue]

Don't tell me you guys didnt have the big orgy Saturday?!

[lumberjim]

i left at 11:30, and there had been zero nudity, and very little lesbian activity. bummer

[be-bop]

Jeez lets just all relax our Sphincter Muscles a little, take a deep breath and chill a minute.

W T F.all these so called Giants of the board having Hissy Fits Hubris Boy, Dagney Jag all throwing the toy's out the pram stomping off in a fit of pique.

Whats wrong with a bit of levity? now and again even in a serious post a smart or funny comment can enhance the argument or position you are trying to put across.
I don't post much but I read and follow most posts to their natural conclusion and a few of the so called "Great Weights" of this board have their heads so far up their own arses and the posts are so predictable you can guess the reply to the question.
But thats what great of being in this community everyone's opinion is different but equally valid
I think that this board is one of the best I've come across.I should know Ive lurked on a few,Ive been around this board about a year and its opened my eyes to differing opinions,some I agree with,some i don't but hey, thats life.
Nothing stays the same its called evolution, we all get teary eyed for the good old days.But take a good look and then think back just how good were them good old days???? If you think the Board is not what is was contribute,Show us young un's whats what but dont just bitch

[Clodfobble]

FWIW I don't think (but maybe I'm wrong) Hubris Boy was complaining about humorous things as much as he was complaining about the abundance of posts that don't add anything at all, including humor--posts which say things like "right on!" or "yeah, what he said!" or "OMG that was so funny!"

[smoothmoniker]

guys, the phrase "Giants" is getting a little old.

You can just use my name, I won't be offended.

-sm

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally posted by Clodfobble
FWIW I don't think (but maybe I'm wrong) Hubris Boy was complaining about humorous things as much as he was complaining about the abundance of posts that don't add anything at all, including humor--posts which say things like "right on!" or "yeah, what he said!" or "OMG that was so funny!"

Hey, I represent that.
BeBop, well said, except Dagney's absence is for personal reasons. Life intrudes.