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Old 11-20-2019, 01:01 PM   #1
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I am. I listen to the hearings on a Baton Rouge NPR outlet as I tool around. It's a wonderful 3 Ring Circus.
It's like watching the Titanic back up for another run at the iceberg.
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Old 11-20-2019, 06:33 PM   #2
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It's like watching the Titanic back up for another run at the iceberg.
More like watchin' a donkey kick at shadows.
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Old 11-20-2019, 07:35 PM   #3
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More like watchin' a donkey kick at shadows.
Whatever works.
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Old 11-20-2019, 05:26 PM   #4
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Is anyone else having fun watching Sondland and President Trump throw each other under the bus?
Gordon Sondland under cross:
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. . . devastating cross-examination by Rep. Mike Turner, R-Ohio:

Question: If you pull up CNN today, right now, their banner says “Sondland ties Trump to withholding aid.” Is that your testimony today, Ambassador Sondland? Because I don’t think you’re saying that.

Sondland: I’ve said repeatedly, congressman, I was presuming.

Question: So no one heard. Not just the president. Giuliani didn’t tell you. Mulvaney didn’t tell you. Nobody. Pompeo didn’t tell you. Nobody else on this planet told you that Donald Trump was tying aid to these investigations. Is that correct?

Sondland: I think I already testified.

Question: No, answer the question. No one on this planet told you that Donald Trump was tying this aid to the investigation? Because if your answer is yes, then the chairman is wrong. And the headline on CNN is wrong. No one on this planet told you that President Trump was tying aid to investigations. Yes or no?

Sondland: Yes.

Question: So you really have no testimony today that ties President Trump to a scheme to withhold aid from Ukraine in exchange for these investigations.

Sondland: Other than my own presumption.
"Other than my own presumption." The newspaper and network sites are full of this conversation.
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Old 11-21-2019, 05:54 PM   #5
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Our Donald
Who art on Twitter
Hallowed be thy tweets
Thy reelection come
Thy rants be done
On the campaign trail
As they are on Twitter
Give us this day
Our daily tweets
And forgive us our fake news
As we forgive those
Who witch hunt against us
And lead us not into deposition
But deliver us from self-incrimination
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Old 11-22-2019, 09:51 PM   #6
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Our Donald
Who art on Twitter
Hallowed be thy tweets ...
Kudos. But who gets the credit?
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Old 12-19-2019, 05:38 PM   #7
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HAPPY BELATED IMPEACHMENT DAY EVERYBODY!
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Old 12-19-2019, 07:12 PM   #8
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How you say, jump the shark?




That said, there have been times outside of the Civil War when Americans wanted to kill each other over stuff. We are so connected now that it's hard to say whether a spark would be doused or fed. The Tweeter in Chief has had a great run of baiting the left but orange man has also been bad. I would gladly trade Hunter Biden for Trump. Hunter represents the legal corruption that pervades our system and Trump good old fashioned corruption.

“People in D.C. will succeed whether the rest of us succeed or fail. And that message really hit home for many, many Americans,” Yang said. “And unfortunately, the Democratic response seems to be, ‘D.C. is not the problem, Trump is the problem.’”
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Old 12-19-2019, 10:01 PM   #9
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Putin is all upset in today's press conference. He is blaming the Democrats for attacking his chosen president.
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Old 12-20-2019, 12:45 AM   #10
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The end is neigh. Not zombies, not terrorists, suicide of the US and Britain.
We're top dog, the biggest badass, nobody can hurt us but us. Damn fine job we're doing of it too.

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Old 12-20-2019, 09:59 AM   #11
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>insert pithy libertarian minarchist response<
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Old 12-20-2019, 12:10 PM   #12
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Good read. But didn't you hear Bruce? The stock market is doing great!
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Old 12-20-2019, 10:55 PM   #13
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The stock market goes up like an auction for a limited commodity. It goes up on the absence of bad news but doesn't reflect the economy until that makes the news. The economy is slowing a lot because consumers are worried, and rightly so.
The reports to Wall Street are good because of the shenanigans by corporate officers to hide downturns. Until Celedon laid off 4,000 people last week.

Of course the encouragement to BUY! BUY! has nothing to do with their cut of every transaction.
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Old 12-21-2019, 02:02 AM   #14
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The stock market is doing great!
Of course it is. This is still the tail end or an Obama economy.

Meanwhile what happened to those increased tax revenues created by more economic activity due to a tax cut? Tax revenues have fallen now for the past three years. Eventually the economy will have to pay the bills and interest on that fiasco.

Well, Nixon spend money we did not have on Vietnam in 68 and 70. When did the resulting economic downturn occur? Late 70s.

Kennedy's tax cut in the early 60s resulting in a late 60s recession. George Jr's tax cut in early 2000 resulted in a recession when? 2007.

Stagflation could only be cured by a massive interest rates. Paul Volker (who just died) massively increased interest rates in 1979. When did stagflation end? Sometime after 1984 (Reagan's second term).

What affects an economy happened four and more years earlier.

The stock market crashed in 1929. When were the jobs lost? 1933. I should not have to keep repeating well proven history. This is an Obama economy. He spend his first term just undoing the mess created by Cheney. Who bluntly said, "Deficits don't matter." They matter four and more years later.
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Old 12-23-2019, 08:50 AM   #15
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Kennedy's tax cut in the early 60s resulting in a late 60s recession. George Jr's tax cut in early 2000 resulted in a recession when? 2007.
While I don't disagree with you in principle, in this case, the recession occurred because we let bankers run wild with mortgage bundling.
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